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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
Titsalenabumflop · 16/02/2023 20:00

It sounds like you have a very busy life and I hope he appreciates that you get up an hour early to do things before he is even up.

As others have said, why can't he get home at 5.10 every day so you can all eat together?

Why do you have to do a supermarket shop twice a week? I have mine delivered as I don't have a car. If you did, at least most of the time, you could maybe do something with hubby instead, even if it was just going for a walk or a coffee somewhere.
I can see his point to an extent, but think he's being unreasonable and he should try and find an amicable solution with you. It's not as if it's every day. Maybe he should appreciate just having the house to himself for a while! I'm sure there's lots he could do, read, listen to music, many people would appreciate the free time.

Clarabell77 · 16/02/2023 20:10

It’s three days a week. If he doesn’t like it what does he suggest? Maybe he could get home earlier and eat with the 3 of you, and take a turn to drop the kids and go to the supermarket? You sound like you could be doing with a rest!

Survey99 · 16/02/2023 20:11

I kind of gave up on the 8th paragraph......... but so much in this sentence -

DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea.

House is dirty - agree which clean means and discuss how you all can contribute to it
House is cold - put the heating on a timer
No one is home - awww poor diddums....could be worse he could be taxi and doing supermarket shop, both of which he is welcome to do
The washing up isn't done and he can't make his tea - how much mess do you make!?!?!

If he is missing his family tell him to get home earlier and he can get dinner and spend quality time with his dd's being the taxi driver.

ChaosAndCrumbs · 16/02/2023 20:22

Xol · 16/02/2023 09:55

t's a bit off the point, but I'm wondering how on earth your DDs manage to reconcile all this time on sport with schoolwork? At that sort of age my DC had too much homework to be able to go out for three hours a night three nights a week.

I mean, I find that a bit weird? I did sport throughout secondary and primary that was time intensive (swimming and ballet) and just did the homework before or after. Either, at primary, you do it before or after and, at secondary, if it’s not due the following day you have extra a different day or if imminently due, you stay late at school and do it and go on to the sport/activity. I got majority A* at GCSE, so it wasn’t something that affected my work and my parents were very hot on working to your best academically. It’s about time management, isn’t it? A huge number of children do clubs and, if they also take subjects with extra work (eg. Drama with rehearsals and script edits or Art with time intensive coursework or Music) they have to learn to balance them out. Usually I’d be keen to get the work done and make sure I had time free to spend with friends, which I’d assume most children are. It’s not unusual to have quite time consuming sports or hobbies in your youth. I’d expect my children to do similar, proactively help them manage their time and reassess if they struggled.

I can’t see OP to check writing this, but if they have dinner at 5pm and leave then the children have 1-2 hours before dinner to do homework. If they are early risers, some could be done in the morning. On other afternoons they can also catch up. Surely it’s the same time wise as an after school play date or, in secondary, socialising with friends for a couple of hours? You just plan it out.

And Op, I agree with previous posters that your husband needs to adjust something to feel better. You’ve tried to suggest things and he didn’t want to change his situation, so he either needs to accept it or find a solution himself.

CocoFifi · 16/02/2023 20:27

Your husband is telling you he is unhappy. Forget the rights or wrongs of it, just sit down and try and reach a compromise. Yes your children are important, but so is your husband

mellicauli · 16/02/2023 20:27

I had the same thing - every weekend husband took the boys to their football matches and watched their matches while I was back at

What about on one of the 3 days you all make a compromise: husband comes home early from work, you drop the kids off, the two of you go food shopping together and stop for a coffee/drink afterwards before you pick up the kids and then you all eat something quick and easy at 9pm when you get home. Give the kids a slice of toast at 5pm if they can't wait til 9pm.

On the other 2 days, make sure both girls are ready before tea, and therefore free to help with clean up so that it's in a good a place as possible.

piedbeauty · 16/02/2023 20:43

The reply about leaving lights on for your h so he doesn't have to come back to a dark house made me laugh. He's a man, an adult, FGS, not a toddler. Although that's how he's behaving. He seems to want everyone to change things so they are working around him - waiting for him with open arms and tea when he gets in from his hard day being a man. But he's not prepared to put in any work with your dc to parent them, take them to hobbies, find out about them, talk to them.

He sounds SO selfish.

Why should you all change things to suit him??

WaddleAway · 16/02/2023 20:46

piedbeauty · 16/02/2023 20:43

The reply about leaving lights on for your h so he doesn't have to come back to a dark house made me laugh. He's a man, an adult, FGS, not a toddler. Although that's how he's behaving. He seems to want everyone to change things so they are working around him - waiting for him with open arms and tea when he gets in from his hard day being a man. But he's not prepared to put in any work with your dc to parent them, take them to hobbies, find out about them, talk to them.

He sounds SO selfish.

Why should you all change things to suit him??

I know, if my DH needed the lights leaving on for him so he didn’t come home to a dark house I’d know I’d married the wrong man!

eastegg · 16/02/2023 22:28

whatwasIgoingtosay · 15/02/2023 13:53

Set the central heating timer to come on an hour before he gets home, so that the house is warm - and maybe have a couple of lights on timers? Get a dishwasher so there are no dirty dishes in the sink. Or get a cleaner. This does have a rather 1950s vibe, you know.

An hour before he gets home is 5pm, when everyone else is at home, where OP has been working all day. Which is why it makes no sense that the house would even be cold at that time. All very odd. I think when DH complains about ‘cold’ he really means ‘empty’. But that’s a silly thing to complain about as well, because he could just get home slightly earlier and take the girls himself!

BornFreeButinChains · 16/02/2023 23:01

Cant comment on main issues but your dc sound amazing!

angelfacecuti75 · 16/02/2023 23:12

Tell him to do his own washing up & stop moaning at you and muck in much more than he is. Fine if you cook dinner & plate it up, not fine for him to come home & whine that you are a) doing his shopping so he can eat b) ferrying HIS (& yours) kids around so they can have opportunities to do things c) not be capable of flicking a switch on to turn heating on (are his arms broken?) d) being a whiney old git whilst not doing his bit.
Sorry if it is harsh but er ...i dont think i would be putting up with the whining .

Permanentlyexhausted · 16/02/2023 23:15

If he is any sort of professional it doesn't work like that. Some meetings might start at 5pm. He has to be in by 9 in the morning but is likely in earlier.

If the OP is ‘any sort of professional’ then she will also be working longer than her core hours, will be unlikely to be able to take breaks in the day and probably has to answer emails etc on her ‘day off’ too.

It would seem there are a lot of amateurs playing at being professionals if this thread is anything to go by. I guess it makes people feel better about their shitty little jobs if they can pretend their overworking is a sign of professionalism.

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 23:16

@Permanentlyexhausted what do you mean by that?

Permanentlyexhausted · 16/02/2023 23:35

toomuchlaundry · 16/02/2023 23:16

@Permanentlyexhausted what do you mean by that?

I mean there are a lot of people who seem to think that being a "professional" means starting early, staying late, answering emails on your day off, etc. Sure, a lot of professionals have contracts that say they need to work the hours that it takes to get the job done - I certainly do - but if you are having to stay late or start early on a regular basis, then you are either being inefficient or you are being taken advantage of.

legworker · 16/02/2023 23:43

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 16/02/2023 08:31

He just isn't happy, and sadly doesn't seem to like to see me being happy.

This, right here, is the problem, and tells you absolutely everything you need to know about him.

And now he's started taking it out on your daughter. And then expects you to somehow sort it out, and gang up on your child with him when she's done nothing wrong!

Seriously. You need to sit him down and have a very firm talk about what you will and won't accept for your children. They are your kids, they and their needs and wellbeing are your priority, they ought to be his too, and if they were you would both be pulling in the same direction. It seems like he is basically stamping his foot because the whole family doesn't revolve around him and his comforts, feelings and wishes.

He sounds really really unpleasant.

What does he do for/with the girls? Was there an age /stage where he was a 'better' parent? I for example am great at babies and toddlers, am struggling a bit with the early primary stage with my DD1 - but my DP is the exact opposite, couldn't stand all the nappies and broken sleep and illnesses but is now coming into his own with crafting, weird games, homework etc. Is it as they develop into their teens, have their own lives etc he is feeling less important and thus ego-wounded? I mean that is for him to deal with as a grown-up, not piss it around all over the family, but I'm looking for explanations here.

And finally, not to be personal, but how's your sex life?

I have a difficult DP and often have spent hours and weeks fretting and worrying about all the things that might be making him unhappy in our relationship/our family life, only to initiate the Big Talk with him and for it to boil down to the fact that all his talk about feeling 'lonely', 'isolated', 'disconnected' etc boils down to wanting to have sex more often really. Which can seem incredibly one-dimensional to me, but the fact is for a lot of men who aren't particularly emotionally literate, sex is tied up in their minds with affection and closeness and self-expression in ways they just don't seem to be able to access in the many other ways other people (women) can conceive of.

So if sex has dwindled, that could honestly be the root of all this grumpiness and attitude, and he knows that expressing it that bluntly will make him look a bit of a pig so he's rationalising it with all these other complaints about you 'choosing the club over him', being pushed out of family life etc. Just a thought.

There's lots of excellent posts here, but I'm finding this one very thought-provoking.

He doesn't do that much with the girls now. He was better when they were younger (maybe 3-10). He doesn't like routine and likes to be spontaneous. But there isn't much time for spontaneity, in the week at least. There is the occasional bike ride or woodwork project, bike servicing (a PP wondered how often this was: we have a lot of bikes that seem to take a lot of looking after) that he'll do with one of them. He occasionally takes DD2 to a weekend development squad or competition; there's other dads who do the development squad run so I'm encouraging him to be primary parent on this, as it gets him involved with DD2s activity, and he uses the time to do sport with the other dads. He did drop DD1 down at weekend training, and actively sought out doing this, but DD1 is now choosing to travel by bike.

He certainly is feeling less important as the girls become teenagers. He appears to have been a perfect teen, and struggles with the concept of mood swings, often labelling their behaviour as unacceptable rather than having some empathy.

Sex is great when it happens. We have always had very strong physical attraction to each other. We are not lovey-dovey, touchy-feely types, but enjoy good sex. Sex has dwindled in frequency over the years, but the quality has increased. I don't think he is dissatisfied with the lower frequency, and I don't have any evidence of porn usage, solo masturbation etc that would imply an unfulfilled higher libido. But this is really given me food for thought. I will investigate this avenue!

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 16/02/2023 23:44

Paq · 15/02/2023 13:44

Sounds like he needs to get home for 5.10, take turns to ferry the kids around and stop whining.

It's February, the evenings are getting lighter, maybe he'll cheer up a bit when winter's behind us.

This

legworker · 17/02/2023 00:04

Just catching up on posts. Whilst not really a key issue, there are quite a lot of comments about shopping: I should shop online; I spend too much time shopping. I'm finding these comments odd. It takes me about 30 minutes tops to whizz around Aldi, giving me the remaining 90 mins or so for my sport. I stopped Tesco click and collect once they started charging for it. Our Aldi is much better than Tesco anyway, and you can't shop online there anyway. I don't find online shopping saves a huge amount of time; it just enables the shop to be done at a different time. As I do all the cooking as I finish work earlier, it makes sense for me to shop, and the current set-up is efficient for me. I'm shopping in what would otherwise be dead time.

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pizzaHeart · 17/02/2023 00:22

So basically he is not happy with his new working hours but is not brave enough to approach his boss. Instead he is moaning about house being dark when he’s coming from work, wife not being tidy, children not being polite.
FtF???
I guess he is a higher earner and wants to feel that you and girls are very grateful for everything.
OP, these details paint a really unpleasant portrait of your DH.

Botw1 · 17/02/2023 00:28

I really don't think your shopping habits or how often you have sex is the problem or what you should be focusing on.

legworker · 17/02/2023 00:47

Also, to address another side issue. Some posters have questioned the value of the sporting activities, and how the kids fit homework in.

The kids do three sports each (two the same as each other, one different to the other). The sports are vaguely complementary, and they train in more than one sport some nights (plus weekends: out of scope of this post), which is how this is doable. I've steered them in a certain direction at a younger age and given them opportunities. Now they are running with it.

They train and compete because they enjoy it. Not for UCAS applications. Not to become future Olympians. The discipline, social scene, resilience etc is helping them develop into amazing young women. (Stealth boast alert!) They do happen to be doing very well (DD1 is competing at national level in two sports; DD2 in one), but that doesn't make their training any more or less important than anyone else who is committed to a sport. DD1 is on track for 8s and 9s at GCSE. She often gets full marks in tests. She's at state school and doesn't seem to get the volume of homework that I recall from my private school days, and the kids don't seem to have as many essays or projects as I had at the same age. So her homework is generally shorter tasks and revision, that she fits in in form time, travelling to competitions, weekend afternoons and on her evenings off. She juggles her commitments really well, and that's a great life skill. Like a PP, I was the overweight, overly studious teen with no hobbies but perfect grades who, in hindsight, wish she'd found time for life outside study. DD2 is Y7 and doesn't have a huge amount of homework, and is doing well at school.

Someone commented about sport parents living life through their children. Absolutely not. I'm interested, supportive, get involved in volunteering with their clubs (some of which are also my clubs), but I am not That Parent. I have my own sporting interests and ambitions, although I am sadly an extremely mediocre athlete compared to them 🤣

OP posts:
RachelGreeneGreep · 17/02/2023 00:50

GatoradeMeBitch · 16/02/2023 19:19

She already has explained he does many things which she doesn't go near.

None of which are regular time commitments. Tinkering with the car, house maintenance, mowing the lawn, occasionally washing the outside of the windows. Surprised she didn't include taking the bins out.

I do all those things myself, and none of them are the time drains which shopping, childcare, cleaning, washing, ironing and cooking are. And we all know this.

Amen! And I wish it was posted across every part of Mumsnet and elsewhere.
I will never fail to be gobsmacked by all the women who apparently see it as fair that they are run ragged by the daily grind while their husbands/ partners 'look after the cars' or 'take the bins out' or 'do all the DIY'...

None, not even ONE of those things compare to washing, cooking, cleaning, looking after children etc etc day in, day out.

T1Dmama · 17/02/2023 01:07

What does he expect?? Surely it’s better the kids do activities after school than spend all their time in their rooms or on tech?! I think it’s great you run them to clubs…. Maybe suggest he comes home on time and joins you all!
It doesn’t sound like he has it too hard…. I’d love to come home and just have to add rice to a meal that’s already cooked for me!

T1Dmama · 17/02/2023 01:08

RachelGreeneGreep · 17/02/2023 00:50

Amen! And I wish it was posted across every part of Mumsnet and elsewhere.
I will never fail to be gobsmacked by all the women who apparently see it as fair that they are run ragged by the daily grind while their husbands/ partners 'look after the cars' or 'take the bins out' or 'do all the DIY'...

None, not even ONE of those things compare to washing, cooking, cleaning, looking after children etc etc day in, day out.

^❤️^

NaturalBae · 17/02/2023 01:16

Meh

legworker · 17/02/2023 01:27

Anyway, time for the key update (with some backtracking: apologies).

I forgot to mention previously that I told him on Tuesday night (14th Feb) that I would no longer cook tea for him. He could shop, cook and clear up after himself on the basis that he didn't appear to want to be part of the family team and wasn't happy with the "level of service" provided.

Wednesday 15th, I did a grid entitled something like "Things that could change in daily routine in order to make Mr legworker happy" and populated it with suggestions (from realistic to radical) of what each family member could change. These included: me quitting my job, him quitting his job, kids quitting their sports, me quitting my sports, eating together at 9pm, him changing working hours, him working from home some afternoons, me doing washing up every day, kids washing up. None of these suggestions assigned to DH were feasible per DH, so he rather aggressively asked me what I was going to change. With apologies to feminism, I agreed that I could work on the washing up issue (noting that most stuff goes through the dishwasher; we are referring here to lesser used items that are washed up by hand).

On Wednesday, I made sure all washing up was done (to reset us to zero so to speak, but also as a pathetic token of affection to try and make him happy). Wednesday is a night off. He got home about 6.15pm, just as kids and I were sitting down for tea. We usually eat at this time on a Wednesday so that we can all eat together, so he usually just waltzes in and sits down to eat. However, there was no food for him. To his credit, he did come and sit at the table with us and try to make conversation. DDs did some good marriage counselling. Hilariously (irritated by the school strikes), DD2 is of the opinion that striking (here: me not making tea) is not the way to resolve matters, and also made suggestions on what could change in the routine. I pointed out that making tea is not my job, so I can't strike from it. Atmosphere was tense, so no-one stuck around at the table. DH vanished. It turned out he'd gone shopping for some food for himself. Everyone kept their distance that night.

He left for work on Thursday morning at 9.15am. Starting "late" clearly isn't an issue 🤔

On returning from work on Thursday, he seemed in a better mood. He got home about 5.45pm (it's his sport night, and he had a home match). He asked if he could have some spag bol sauce, to which I said yes, but there was left over fajita filling which I offered him and he accepted. We had a good, albeit brief, chat about some issues I'm having at work before DDs and I left the house. Some PPs may be horrified to learn that two baking tins and a chopping board that DD2 had used for making (gluten free) brownies the night before were still sitting unwashed next to the sink at this point.

He hasn't apologised for anything, but the mood has lifted. He got back from his sport shortly after 9pm, and there was some nice family time in the kitchen whilst we all snacked. We also chatted a bit once the kids were in bed.

I do think he's unhappy. I would love for him to come and join me in my club sport on one of the other nights as I genuinely think he'd really enjoy it and it would make him happier. But I can't control that. What I will do is try and think how I make time for him on the week, like I make time for so many other things.

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