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DH miserable due to family daily routine. AIBU for sticking with it?

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legworker · 15/02/2023 13:26

My lovely DH is in a grump. Our current family routine means that we (DH, me, 2x tween-teen DDs) are eating our evening meals separately three times a week. DH is upset that he "comes home to a house which is dirty and cold, no-one is home and the washing-up is not done so he can't make his tea." He has also commented that I am pushing him out of family life with this routine and my inflexibility.

Some facts:
DH works M-F 9-5 office job based a ten minute drive away. However he is usually not home until after 6pm.

I work from home Mon-Thu 8-4. I used to work M-F 9-3 when DDs were younger to fit around school hours. When DDs were very young (and I was in a previous role) I worked three days a week term-time only.

We are both qualified professionals, albeit in different fields, and have always had around the same FTE salary, although my take-home pay has been less in the years when I was more part-time.

DDs do a lot of sport. Three times a week, the kids and I eat at around 5pm. We all leave the house around 6pm and are home again by 9pm. The kids can't get themselves to training due to where DH and I have chosen to live, so I drive them there and back. In the 2 hours or so that they are training, I do the supermarket shop (twice a week), do my own sport with a club (twice a week), and go for a run with a friend (once a week). We have had this routine for the last 12 months, since younger DD moved to the same training schedule as older DD. Prior to this, I would drop older DD, return home for about 30 minutes (when I would see DH if he was home), drop younger DD and then do the supermarket shop (twice a week)/run with a friend (once a week) before returning home with both kids at 9pm.

DH plays one of his sports in a club on one of our 5pm tea evenings. His training session runs from 7-9pm and he arrives home after us that night. He sometimes has matches (home and away) on other nights of the week too, but not that frequently.

We have an old, large house that is hard to get/keep warm.

Some more objective viewpoints:
I do 99.99% of the food shopping, preparation of evening meals and clearing up. I also generally make breakfast (as we have the kind of breakfasts where it is more efficient to do it once for everyone, rather than a 'help yourself to cereal and toast' kind of breakfast) and am usually up 30 mins-1h before DH to fit in household chores before work.

I have always cooked meals for all the family and we have always tried to eat together. When the kids were very little, we would have tea relatively late (after 6pm ish) compared to friends so that we could all eat together. The other four days of the week, we eat later than 5pm so that we can all eat together as a family. On the three days of the week when DDs and I leave at 6pm, I leave DH's meal in the pan(s) to warm up, or he might have to quickly cook something slightly different to go with what has already been made due to dietary requirements/preferences across the family (e.g. he might have to cook some gluten-free noodles to add to the stir-fried meat and veg that we have already made, and eaten our share of, with wheat noodles). As time is tight, I don't generally have time to ensure every kitchen item is washed and put away before leaving the house at 6pm, but I do try to ensure that the kitchen is tidy enough to be functional. Some less-often used items that don't go through the dishwasher may sit next to the kitchen sink for a few days before being washed up by hand. Dishwasher is put on at least daily by me.

I do most of the other general housework (cleaning, laundry, putting bins out, looking after the animals) and life admin (utilities etc, school admin, sport admin for kids).

DH is very handy practically and does a lot of things that are outside my skill set. He does a lot of car, bike and house maintenance/improvements that most people would pay for. He mows the (very large) lawn in the warmer months, washes the cars and, periodically, the outsides of the windows. He does most of the heavy gardening. He does occasionally run the hoover round or wash up.

DDs make their own packed lunches, sort their own food for lunch if they are at home (weekend, holidays), get themselves to school and back, and keep their own bedrooms clean(ish!). They are both mature and independent (they keep on top of homework, take the right things to school on the right days, get their kit together for training and events and sort it out afterwards, put their dirty laundry in their laundry bin and collect and put away their clean laundry). On a quiet day at home, they may help with jobs around the house.

So, AIBU for making tea at 5pm three nights a week to accommodate our DDs' hobbies, and then using their training time to do the supermarket shop and do my own exercise?

And, more kindly, what do you think we (individually or as a family) could change to make my DH less miserable?

(Sporadic poster here; have namechanged for this.)

OP posts:
legworker · 17/02/2023 01:30

pizzaHeart · 17/02/2023 00:22

So basically he is not happy with his new working hours but is not brave enough to approach his boss. Instead he is moaning about house being dark when he’s coming from work, wife not being tidy, children not being polite.
FtF???
I guess he is a higher earner and wants to feel that you and girls are very grateful for everything.
OP, these details paint a really unpleasant portrait of your DH.

I think I mentioned in my OP that we're roughly financial equals. I'm actually currently the slightly higher earner despite being 0.8FTE.

OP posts:
MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 17/02/2023 04:06

Sounds like you've made some progress OP. Doesn't deal with the fundamental problem that is he is quite selfish, but it's good you've tackled it head on and assertively and he's backing down somewhat instead of doubling down.

Watch out with conducting this recalibration with your DDs as witnesses though. Especially in a situation where favouritism may make DD2 feel she has to be "Team Dad" and DD1 feel like "Team Mum". I'm sure you can take the temperature of that situation yourself, and it is good they're seeing you give an example of standing up for yourself.

VortexOfDisaster · 17/02/2023 05:45

You are all so accustomed to you taking on the mental load burden for the family that none of you see this for what it is, or how unfair it is on you.

He’s behaving like an arse. There are no two ways about it, and anyone feeling he’s got a divine man-right to feel coddled and adored every minute of his precious existence needs to give their head a wobble. He has literally nothing to complain about from the scenarios you describe and everything to be enormously grateful for. In fact, you’re the one who should be demanding more consideration. And a little bit of acknowledgement for the significant role you play in keeping daily family life ticking over wouldn’t go amiss.

But he’s dumping his grumbles on you and expecting you to sort them for him, like you sort everything else.

And, although you seem a very capable and intelligent woman, without even thinking about what you are doing, you’ve accepted his expectation that you have the responsibility to make him happier. Spending time on charts, making suggestions, feeling you have to do even more washing up to please him. Why is it your responsibility to do this? Why is your time and head space worth so much less than his?

Give him back the responsibility. If he’s offended by the sight of a couple of dirty pots, he can turn on the hot tap, squirt some fairy liquid and frigging wash them up, rather than standing there making sad eyes at them. If he doesn’t like coming home to a big empty house twice a week (I mean, seriously?!), aww, tiny violins, what is HE going to do about it?

It’s nobody else’s responsibility, and your daughters giving up their sports should not be suggested even in jest. Why on earth should they feel in anyway responsible for senseless man-whinging? I would also be keen to make it clear to them that women should not be made to feel responsible for solving every gripe, housework or logistics issue in the family.

While it’s brilliant you’ve made a stand, I’m not sure the ‘going on strike’ message on meals is going to get across that all of these things are not your responsibility (particularly if you’re then going to do the washing up just to please him… just don’t!!). He really needs to understand that it’s not your job to provide him with a perfect home coming every day. You work almost full-time - he doesn’t even have the 50’s wifey excuse (and even if you didn’t work, I don’t think it would be a reasonable expectation).

Having said all of that, I think there’s something else going on. It sounds like there has been a relatively recent increase in irritability and complaining (and let’s be clear, over completely non-issues), which could be an indication of many common mental health issues. He should see his GP to discuss symptoms rather than take it out on his family. We did not evolve to cope with 21st century pressures, and we all need to regularly have our mental health checked out the same way we get our physical health checked out.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 17/02/2023 06:26

I agree with @VortexOfDisaster. This isn't for you to fix. Tell him to come up with suggestions. I'm enraged on your behalf! If it's something internal for him, this discontent, then really only he can fix it.

Ryebreadandpickles654 · 17/02/2023 06:32

legworker · 17/02/2023 01:27

Anyway, time for the key update (with some backtracking: apologies).

I forgot to mention previously that I told him on Tuesday night (14th Feb) that I would no longer cook tea for him. He could shop, cook and clear up after himself on the basis that he didn't appear to want to be part of the family team and wasn't happy with the "level of service" provided.

Wednesday 15th, I did a grid entitled something like "Things that could change in daily routine in order to make Mr legworker happy" and populated it with suggestions (from realistic to radical) of what each family member could change. These included: me quitting my job, him quitting his job, kids quitting their sports, me quitting my sports, eating together at 9pm, him changing working hours, him working from home some afternoons, me doing washing up every day, kids washing up. None of these suggestions assigned to DH were feasible per DH, so he rather aggressively asked me what I was going to change. With apologies to feminism, I agreed that I could work on the washing up issue (noting that most stuff goes through the dishwasher; we are referring here to lesser used items that are washed up by hand).

On Wednesday, I made sure all washing up was done (to reset us to zero so to speak, but also as a pathetic token of affection to try and make him happy). Wednesday is a night off. He got home about 6.15pm, just as kids and I were sitting down for tea. We usually eat at this time on a Wednesday so that we can all eat together, so he usually just waltzes in and sits down to eat. However, there was no food for him. To his credit, he did come and sit at the table with us and try to make conversation. DDs did some good marriage counselling. Hilariously (irritated by the school strikes), DD2 is of the opinion that striking (here: me not making tea) is not the way to resolve matters, and also made suggestions on what could change in the routine. I pointed out that making tea is not my job, so I can't strike from it. Atmosphere was tense, so no-one stuck around at the table. DH vanished. It turned out he'd gone shopping for some food for himself. Everyone kept their distance that night.

He left for work on Thursday morning at 9.15am. Starting "late" clearly isn't an issue 🤔

On returning from work on Thursday, he seemed in a better mood. He got home about 5.45pm (it's his sport night, and he had a home match). He asked if he could have some spag bol sauce, to which I said yes, but there was left over fajita filling which I offered him and he accepted. We had a good, albeit brief, chat about some issues I'm having at work before DDs and I left the house. Some PPs may be horrified to learn that two baking tins and a chopping board that DD2 had used for making (gluten free) brownies the night before were still sitting unwashed next to the sink at this point.

He hasn't apologised for anything, but the mood has lifted. He got back from his sport shortly after 9pm, and there was some nice family time in the kitchen whilst we all snacked. We also chatted a bit once the kids were in bed.

I do think he's unhappy. I would love for him to come and join me in my club sport on one of the other nights as I genuinely think he'd really enjoy it and it would make him happier. But I can't control that. What I will do is try and think how I make time for him on the week, like I make time for so many other things.

I just want to say you sound like a great person and a great parent Legworker and I hope your DH appreciates that!

rookiemere · 17/02/2023 06:56

@legworker so you produced a list of what could be changed, he rejected all of them and then asked you what could be changed?

He's really good at making you feel responsible for everything isn't he ?

I think you need to sit down at the weekend without the girls and have an honest conversation about this.

Your feelings matter too, it's ok to say " I feel disrespected when I do majority of housework and day to day things for the girls and you say I'm doing something wrong because I've not washed every single dish.How do we make things better so we are both happy or at least accepting of the situation?"

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 07:00

Well, if the fact that he can work hours to suit him (arriving late and leaving on time) when he has something he wants to do doesn’t make you see what and who he is, then I don’t know what will.
Your poor daughters.

Whydidimarryhim · 17/02/2023 07:04

Hi op is he the type of man that commands “respect” - he doesn’t need to stay late - if he’s paid 9-5 then that’s when he should leave work.
He maybe finding life mundane - does he know how to have fun?
well done for being boundaried and sticking up for your kids.
Yes it’s what’s behind his dis satisfaction.
He “expects” his children to go to him.
He “expects” various things from you - you to fix his issues!!
You are happy and your children are happy. He has the issues and needs to talk about them.
You sound a great mum who has a lovely relationship with your children.

Blip · 17/02/2023 07:07

DH is doing a big fat NOTHING to address the issues he has.

YOU create a grid of possible things that could change. HE decides he will not change anything himself so the changes must all come from you and the girls.
He does not propose any different changes that he could make himself.

You then undertake to work on the washing up. But also to go on strike cooking and shopping for DH. "Striking" seems a bit passive aggressive to me. I think you need to be more direct with DH and ask him what responsibility he is going to take to improve family life.

I would start with "DH, your happiness is important to me. I hear that you are unhappy with the status quo yet also that you are unwilling to work towards any changes. Can you please explain what is going on here as it makes no sense to me."

Ask him if he wants the girls to give up their sports. If he wants you to be "the 1950s style housewife." He is not even saying what changes he wants just leaving it to you to decide what you could change to make him happier.

If DH will not engage in generating and implementing solutions tell him that nothing can improve until he is prepared to take responsibility for doing this.

Honestly if you cannot have a sensible discussion what hope is there for your family. There is a big communication issue between you and DH and tbh both of you sound like you use manipulation, DH to get his own way and you out of desperation to try to get some movement into the situation.

You seem very invested in solving the problem, maybe over invested even.
DH is stamping his feet and asserting control by using his bad moods to manipulate you and the girls. It's quite toxic.

Blip · 17/02/2023 07:13

Has DH always been like this or is it a recent personality change?

Merlott · 17/02/2023 07:53

Well done OP!

MachineBee · 17/02/2023 07:55

I’m really feeling for you OP. You’re being very fair in trying to resolve this situation but he doesn’t seem even interested in meeting you halfway. He seems to want everything on his terms.

I wonder if his new job is at the root of this. Perhaps he regrets taking it. You mention his boss being old fashioned and expecting him to work beyond his hours. Is he feeling controlled at work and is now trying to grab some control back at home? Or is he feeling trapped in a job he’s not enjoying because of the commitment move to a ‘project house’?

Botw1 · 17/02/2023 08:10

Oh dear op.

Did you add grow a back bone and tell your selfish prick of an oh to fuck off to your grid?

Why are you teaching your dds that women have to always put men first?

That housework and childcare is solely their jobs and if men are unhappy it's up to them to fix it?

FinallyHere · 17/02/2023 08:24

What I will do is try and think how I make time for him on the week, like I make time for so many other things.

@legworker

Please, please read the excellent post from @VortexOfDisaster Read and, as our teachers used to say, inwardly digest.

You appear to have got stuck in a pattern of him just complaining and you jumping in to fix things. I appreciate that your instincts are to fix things to protect family life for your DC.

In the process, the standard to which you are holding him is really very low indeed. Not a great life lesson for your DD, at least one of whom has internalised that 'making tea is somehow your job and striking is not the solution'.

Please read that again and consider the messages you are giving your DC.

Not what you tell them 'it's not my job' but what you show them, in reality that everything necessary for their lives really is your job.

How can you bear to be intimate with such a whining man baby ? Do your feelings of responsibility extend so far ?

I agree that you need to have some private, alone time in which to lay out your unequal contributions to family life. It really does seem to be so very unequal across every part of your life together. Please take these insights from perfect strangers to ask him what he is going to do about things.

I know I'm projecting here, my first serious relationship was with a man who appeared happy with the distant prospect that I should eventually out earn him. He reacted very differently to the actual reality when that happened. He too started to expect me to do everything and just complained about anything not to his satisfaction.

UserEleventyBillionandOne · 17/02/2023 08:28

Your DH sounds like yet another pathetic selfish manbaby who expects the women around him to facilitate his life and gets sulky when it doesn’t quite happen to his satisfaction. He has you well trained to try to solve his problems for him OP, and is working on your daughters too. Stop pandering to him writing charts of things to make him happy etc, it’s demeaning. His happiness is his own responsibility, he’s behaving like this because it boosts his ego to see you scrabbling around trying to fit your life around him. What does he do to prioritise your happiness and the happiness of his DC? Not much I’d wager.

rainbowstardrops · 17/02/2023 08:38

I'm glad the air is more positive but it's still screaming out that it's you that is expected to make all the changes!
He can manage to get in from work at 5.45 when it suits him for his sport but not on the nights when the girls have their sports and therefore, you could all eat together!
He's still being an absolute selfish arse.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/02/2023 08:39

JussathoB · 16/02/2023 19:47

Why which bit?
Basically I thought OP schedule sounds very organised so maybe just try and tweak it so DH is less irritated.
Then I suggested if that hasn’t worked he should take on at least once a week the trip out with DDs.
if none of that helps I would be asking DH what his solution is

The bit where your suggestions are all the responsibility of the OP to fix instead of her husband who is actually the one who is complaining??? Did you miss that in all of the responses that were posted up to the point that you posted your oh so helpful response?

The only thing that was actually useful in your suggestion was asking DH what his solution is. Put the responsibility for fixing these 'issues' back on the person that sees them as issues.

billy1966 · 17/02/2023 08:47

You are doing such a great job OP.

Trying so hard.

I would think about your daughters though and what family life models to them?

Mum bend out of shape being super woman, dad a grumpy selfish man consumed by himself and his comforts.

They will see him very clearly upon reflection, as adults, and it won't be good.

He's not modeling they type of man you want your daughters to seek out in adulthood is he?

Mind yourself, he certainly isn't.

PoshCoffee · 17/02/2023 08:48

I’m probably missing the point but if you’d made food and all sat down to eat at 6.15pm bar him, why was there no food for him?
I’d be pretty miffed if dinner had been made but a portion hadn’t been plated up for me to eat when I’d got back from work.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/02/2023 08:50

@legworker - This comment from your recent post got me thinking -
"What I will do is try and think how I make time for him on the week, like I make time for so many other things."

Does your husband make time for you during the week? At the weekend?

It still isn't your issue to resolve for him. He has to want it to be resolved and come to the table with possible solutions to his issue. None of this is to the benefit of your wonderful daughters. They are seeing their mother run herself ragged trying to fix something that isn't actually caused by her or her fault. They are seeing their father basically throw a strop or tantrum because he's coming home to a dirty, dark, cold house. He's unwilling to approach his manager to see about his working hours (which would go a long way to sorting out his issues). He's unwilling to join your sports club (which would go a long way to sorting out his issues).

Seriously? I have every sympathy for you finding yourself in this position but until you push back and tell your husband that as he is the one with the issues here, that you and the girls and doing fine and while you're very busy at the moment because of their activities, they will be grown up and most likely will have left the home in a few years that if he doesn't get his act together he is going to miss all of this. This is also being part of being a parent.

Please just keep doing what you're doing with the girls and leave him to sort his 'issues' out.

HangerLaneGyratorySystem · 17/02/2023 08:52

Merlott · 17/02/2023 07:53

Well done OP!

What for?

LookItsMeAgain · 17/02/2023 08:52

@billy1966 - that's mad that you wrote about the daughters seeing what their mum was doing versus what their dad is doing. I had begun typing my response and was thinking the very same thing.

G5000 · 17/02/2023 09:03

Why are you teaching your dds that women have to always put men first?

That. He is unhappy. He could fix the issue very easily. But he does not want to, instead expects everyone else to tie themselves into a pretzel and accommodate him. And you do.

piedbeauty · 17/02/2023 09:31

@VortexOfDisaster - excellent post!

Op, you haven't addressed the numerous posts that ask why YOU are taking full responsibility for this. You're not your h's mummy. He's an adult. You already do more than your share.

Over40Overdating · 17/02/2023 09:33

OP you are a very patient woman. Even when you have done the mental load of writing down all the things he could do to be more part of the family, he’s rejected every one because he wants to be the centre of the universe that everyone bends over backwards for.

The food thing will last til the next time he feels slighted and has a tantrum and will demand you and the girls wait on him hand and foot again.

You are wasting your time thinking about how you can make more time for him to make him happier - what he wants from you, as you already hit on, is to be as miserable as him.

You earn more pro rata, yet he still expects you to do every single element of the daily chores and child care. This isn’t about the hard-working bread winner feeling under appreciated. He is selfish, self entitled and badly in need of a reality check.

Sadly I think you will be back before too asking what you do next because he’s had another tantrum, increased his picking on your daughter to feel better about himself or found himself a little fan club in the form of another women who believes he’s a poor lonely soul neglected by his wife.

You sound like a brilliant mum and fantastic partner - he needs to be told now that it’s not up to anyone else to sacrifice their lives to make him feel better. He has the options.