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....to think men are, sorry, but AWFUL

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TrainteaAnnie · 15/02/2023 08:03

Straight woman, mid thirties. Have had three 3 year relationships. Everyone one seemed like the 'nice' guy, the kind you can trust..
One caught with porn addiction, one found dm'ing other girls on social media, one outright cheated while drunk on a lads holiday.
I'm dating a lovely man now, but I honestly just had this feeling like... It's inevitable, at some point, he's gonna be like all the rest. I can't trust him although he's not given me reason not to.
And then there's life, every night I come on Mumsnet and read another horror story of some poor married woman, often with young DC completely blindsided by a discovery of infidelity. Or a woman married for 40 years to her best friends finding out he's used prostitutes for their entire marriage.
In the news, Megan Fox being cheated on. That horrid situation with Joe Westerman.
It's everywhere, endlessly. Men driven by their dicks ruining women's lives. Women who trust and love them. It makes me feel ok physically sick thinking about it all. I feel like I never want to talk to this guy I'm dating again even though, maybe 10 years ago, I'd be in love with him. I just emotionally can't do it anymore. Men are awful.

Help!

OP posts:
IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 20:48

@AdamRyan just to explain to you and manage you're expectations .... there is no penis license, never going to be one.....

A bit like identification cards.... it's never going to happen.

And for very obvious reasons, as history had taught us.

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:48

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:46

@GrinAndVomit

If you have such a professional job helping abused women should you really be on the Internet arguing with women?

You obviously feel like some of us are deranged and are calling us out.

Professionally you shouldn't be nasty to these woman.

Mental health etc.

I don’t use words like “deranged”
That’s you

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:49

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:45

I think I’ve actually been very restrained.

Here is a few highlights of what you’ve been directing at me

“not all women are as strong as some.”
which I commented was a smug and revolting attitude to have toward women who suffer domestic abuse.

“You have some serious issues.”
“You have an attitude problem”
“sorry that I have found good men and you haven't”
“I think you are deranged.”

Accusations of me being the perpetrator of domestic abuse multiple times

As well as one comment which was deleted by mumsnet (not reported by me)

I’ve not responded in any way at your level.
You need to grow up.

I don't think you are as professional as you think you are.

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:50

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:49

I don't think you are as professional as you think you are.

🤷🏻‍♀️ I think we’ve established you don’t think much of me or my advocacy for domestic abuse victims m.
I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:52

I think I’ve actually been very restrained

You restrain yourself, or it could get nasty from you.

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 20:52

@GrinAndVomit you've got a professional job helping abused women?? Seriously?

Well I cannot fathom that, in fairness I've only known one woman that's been in that line of work, albeit highly esteemed but she's so far removed from you, I find it totally shocking your attitude.

You've intimated that all women are really victims, but with such little empathy (assuming you believe your thoughts are true) that if they were, they'd run a mile from you.

AdamRyan · 17/02/2023 20:53

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 20:48

@AdamRyan just to explain to you and manage you're expectations .... there is no penis license, never going to be one.....

A bit like identification cards.... it's never going to happen.

And for very obvious reasons, as history had taught us.

I know that
Society will continue to facilitate violence, and deny there is any problem. Women will continue to die at the hands of men and be raped with impunity. And mens hurt feelings will continue to be a higher priority than womens safety.
But it's nice to think of how things could be different isn't it?

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:53

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:48

I don’t use words like “deranged”
That’s you

No but use restrained!

5128gap · 17/02/2023 20:54

Liz1tummypain · 17/02/2023 20:40

According to the law only a biological man can commit rape, yes. A woman can still force or compel a man to have penetrative sex, to whatever extent that may be though. The relative strengths of each person would clearly play a factor. You can call it sexual assault if you like but it's actually on a par with rape.

So, what exactly is your point here? That sexual violence is a crime committed equally by women? What are the stats then, if women are just as bad? How many of these 'rapes' (as you erroneously call them) were committed last year? By how many women?

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:54

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:53

No but use restrained!

Hahahahahaha

I said my responses to you have been restrained.

You and @IndiaDreamer are actually making me laugh out loud now.

Thank you both so much.

Liz1tummypain · 17/02/2023 20:57

AdamRyan · 17/02/2023 20:44

Is it liz? I'm not really sure it actually is. There is a power/,strength imbalance plus risk of physical damage from penetration which is very different between men and women

Do you think a man raping a man is as bad as a woman forcing him to have penetrative sex?

What I'm saying is that the fact our legislation doesn't consider something a crime doesn't mean it doesn't happen and doesn't mean it's ok. I'm not measuring one crime against another. I'm saying that forcing a man or a woman to have sex and denying consent is what should be seen as rape.

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 20:57

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:45

I think I’ve actually been very restrained.

Here is a few highlights of what you’ve been directing at me

“not all women are as strong as some.”
which I commented was a smug and revolting attitude to have toward women who suffer domestic abuse.

“You have some serious issues.”
“You have an attitude problem”
“sorry that I have found good men and you haven't”
“I think you are deranged.”

Accusations of me being the perpetrator of domestic abuse multiple times

As well as one comment which was deleted by mumsnet (not reported by me)

I’ve not responded in any way at your level.
You need to grow up.

The cherry on top for me was

“sorry that I have found good man and you haven't”

And ”I love sex with my man” or something along those lines, like it had any relevance. Sounds like something a 17 year old would say.

I agree, @PartridgeInAChair your comments are awful and you DO need to grow up.

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 20:58

@AdamRyan I don't want my DH, DSs, male friends and relatives hounded because of the deeds of other men.

It's like saying that all of any particular race, colour, creed are evil, they're not, some are, some are not.

I'll never educate you as you hate men, because of some. .....

We've even had a recent post on MN saying "men smell" I mean FFS!

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 20:59

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 20:54

Hahahahahaha

I said my responses to you have been restrained.

You and @IndiaDreamer are actually making me laugh out loud now.

Thank you both so much.

Well you are making me laugh too. So unless we have a laughing competition which can not be done. I think we should part ways and agree we think each other are fucking idiots. I still feel sorry for your DH.

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 21:00

Also my Husband is great. Goodbye.

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 21:01

PartridgeInAChair · 17/02/2023 21:00

Also my Husband is great. Goodbye.

Wonderful piece of information. Not like you’ve mentioned it 50 times already 😂

Poor old Nige.

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 21:01

@GrinAndVomit I am so grateful that you're being restrained, thank you so much for trying to cause me fear that you may be angry and then not restrained!

Just fucking imagine if a man dared to say "you're lucky that I'm being restrained" I think we'd have a few 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 21:03

@FlissyPaps so is mine! And I'm saying that aloud!!

AdamRyan · 17/02/2023 21:03

Liz1tummypain · 17/02/2023 20:57

What I'm saying is that the fact our legislation doesn't consider something a crime doesn't mean it doesn't happen and doesn't mean it's ok. I'm not measuring one crime against another. I'm saying that forcing a man or a woman to have sex and denying consent is what should be seen as rape.

It's a moot point seeing as 98% of reported rapes result in precisely nothing for the alleged rapist.
Once that's sorted I'll start being bothered about the tiny fraction of women who have sex with men without consent.

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 21:04

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 21:03

@FlissyPaps so is mine! And I'm saying that aloud!!

Congratulations. Would you like a 🍪?

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 21:04

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 20:57

The cherry on top for me was

“sorry that I have found good man and you haven't”

And ”I love sex with my man” or something along those lines, like it had any relevance. Sounds like something a 17 year old would say.

I agree, @PartridgeInAChair your comments are awful and you DO need to grow up.

Honestly 😂😂

I’m just waiting for “@GrinAndVomit has smelly farts”

It says a a lot when someone insulting me so relentlessly just makes me feel embarrassed for them.

AdamRyan · 17/02/2023 21:06

It's like saying that all of any particular race, colour, creed are evil, they're not, some are, some are not.

No it isn't.
Race is about skin melanin and is an entirely arbitrary human construct.

Sex is about biology and is found in all sexually reproducing animals.

You actually sound quite racist now.

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 21:06

GrinAndVomit · 17/02/2023 21:04

Honestly 😂😂

I’m just waiting for “@GrinAndVomit has smelly farts”

It says a a lot when someone insulting me so relentlessly just makes me feel embarrassed for them.

Don’t worry at least they’re not coming at you with “YoUrE uSeRnAmE iS dIsGuStInG” like they did to me yesterday 🙄😂

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 21:06

@FlissyPaps I'm not allowed biscuits at the moment...

FlissyPaps · 17/02/2023 21:07

IndiaDreamer · 17/02/2023 21:06

@FlissyPaps I'm not allowed biscuits at the moment...

what a shame.

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