"Take Back Control of our borders"

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AIBU to think the Brexiteer rallying cry of "Take Back Control of our borders" did not lead me to expect net migration at record levels, asylum seekers in small boats at record levels, and suspect diseased meat in Britain due to a lack of border checks seven years after the vote.

You?

YANBU This was not what I understood by the phrase "take back control of our borders"

YABU I know what I voted for, and it was exactly this. Diseased meat YUM!

Look, if you didn’t vote Brexit, you really need to get over it. It’s done. Many of us didn’t like the outcome. But it happened. Incidentally, the rational ones knew that Brexit was never going to work, not because there is anything fundamentally unworkable about the concept. But because those who are ideologically opposed to it would rather it failed and be poorer than it work and they be proved wrong. (Mostly this very government). Equally, those who were ideologically obsessed with it can now pay their bills with ‘control’.

That is the sheer extent of the stupid among us. It’s a shame that if an asteroid were to hit Earth, it would be more selective about the people it takes out.

Would not

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work, or people on student visas. For anyone with a fixed term visa, the type of visa determines if they have the right to work in the UK.

There are special visas for health workers, workers who are sponsored by employers and some "skilled worker" jobs.

And that's why they are trying to implement othe mechanisms to tackle this issue. The EU is not the be all and end all for available options

I hope they're not making the mistake of thinking that Brexit voters then are still Brexit fans now that we know Brexit is a disaster for our country.

I would anticipate that any trade deal from India's perspective would need these relaxing but it's a fair point - I can certainly see some mutually beneficial deal that gives us farm workers and provides some rural indians with knowledge, technology and skills to take back. Not saying the whole country needs it, but for some regions I think there'd be a great opportunity on both sides of the fence.

Give it a rest, please

But luckily the Indian Trade Deal is coming and that has literally millions of visas for Indian people to come and live work and study here built into it. India won't do the deal without them.

It's already happening. Care staff from India have been getting visas to work here for a few months now. The residential care company my friend works for uses a company that recruits in India, and their visas are sponsored by the employing company.

Before they did this, they were spending a fortune on agency staff because they couldn't recruit enough people locally.

A fair few of the staff are qualified nurses in their home country, and hope to join the NHS eventually.

I’m pretty sure Labour is very keen to win and do focus groups to try to work out how.

These threads are frequent, loads of posts from remainers usually. There is another avenue to get noticed (mn won’t do much) and that’s filling up inboxes, are people who post a lot on this writing to their MPs?

Multiple threads calling people idiots or should be wiped out or whatever isn’t moving the focus for parties who are not talking to remainers but Brexit voters.

The same with Brazil. The Brazilian builders are already here.

Pardon?

This is a good reality check as to just how porous our trade border has become. Rancid, unfit for human consumption food just waved through and entering our supply chain. It’s happening on quite a large scale.

I hope people take notice of what's happening in the US and never let that happen here voting left wing muppets - 'focus group' or not

And I don't believe for a second the 'the next government will be Labour' tripe

I think we need to accept that Brexit is a done deal now and work out where to go from here and how to do it.

There is no chance of joining the customs union because it comes with caveats that many people who voted for Brexit among others, won't/can't accept. (FOM being one of them, adhering to the CE regs is another etc)

So what to do? Most urgent to address i think is the GFA and the land border with Ireland. Until that is wrapped up the EU are very mistrusting. I don't blame them, tbh.

There is an issue of a shortage of the seasonal workers etc, care homes (glad to see that's being addressed - not sure any Brexiters who voted based on immigration going down will be happy about that, but meh) I hadn't realised builders are coming from Brazil. I hope they will eventually go back though because the Brazilian economy could probably use their money (am assuming care-home and builders visas are time-limited?)

Part of the issues with Brexit have been exacerbated and/or masked by the pandemic, so it is a good chance for either side of the argument to use that to their advantage. But it will be difficult for future economic or social historians to make an accurate assessment of this.

I agree.
Give it a bloody rest.
Its been done to death.
Galling to have someone that is not even British on here stirring up hatred and division.

Stirring up hatred? Proving that economically, Brexit is awful, and that non-economically it has not done what it said it would do ("Take back control", "Secure our borders").

It is NOT "done" - look at the Horizon issue, the NO discussions ongoing, the fact that we STILL are breaking WTO rules, etc.

It is NOT done.

Anyone who thinks it is, is either bnlind or lying to themselves

or to put it another way ...

"People voting for Brexit: you're all stupid because (xyz ...)"

Stupid people: "No we're not. (xyz ...) won't happen. Yah, boo, sucks."

Brexit voted for, (xyz ...) happens

"See. Told you so. You were stupid to vote for Brexit, just like we said."

Stupid people: "Boring! Yawn!"

When all is said and done, those voting to leave did so because they wished for more accountability and transparency- and yes control - no U.K. government can blame the EU or some other entity any longer, we can hold our own democratically voted for politicians to account and hold their feet to the fire.

We can understand why people that voted remain felt a sense of loss, it’s not that they were necessarily cheer leading every aspect of the EU, but they liked the ease and security of being part of a bigger institution. Perhaps felt European in outlook, and worried about the trade and economic hit.

What we now have - or soon will have once the NI issues have been ironed out (apparently an announcement is due very soon) is a finished process and ultimately the end of the beginning. It is now up to this country to seek out the benefits, resolve the issues and make something of it. Rebuilding our relationship with the neighbours that didn’t take the separation very well is important, expecting our future government to support growth and new independence properly now we are finally free of the negotiations and ‘deals’ and red tape.

It might come to pass that individual agreements will be made with countries for more variable freedom of movement - stronger trade and much deeper ties. I would be surprised if that didn’t happen in time - but it will be a balanced and an equal partnership.

In the future we might find we do in fact have an excellent relationship with much of Europe, that serves the remain wish for better and stronger connections with the leave wish for independence and accountability. It’s not beyond our wit and imagination that we can develop a strategy to encompass both.

Some voted to avoid being reeled in to some kind of EU political superstructure of the future. We haven't heard much about that lately but it's the sort of 'benefit' that doesn't show up as a benefit if you see what I mean.

It does seem that the lid has come off a lot of scandals since we left, I don't know if that's coincidental or because we are taking a look at ourselves more. I'm talking about stuff like the Met police, not the Tory party which is due to the quality of their MPs.

After the vote was fine for him. For him Brexit was just a vehicle for self advancement.

Ridiculous statement. Those who voted stay do, as do those who realise that what was written by the right-wing rags on on the side of buses was a load of bollocks
Pity they didn't do a bit of research before they voted

Why are you continuing to say that the OP isn't British?

stirring up hatred and division

Is that the same type of hate and division as Braverman creates with phrases like tofu eating wokerati?

Or the Mail and it’s enemies of the people?

Geebeebies screaming woke this! woke that! We’re drowning in woke!!

Or the “illegal” immigrants as defined by the govt and RW press, that who more often than not are actually perfectly legal asylum seekers and refugees…as claiming asylum is not illegal and most are found to be legitimate once processed….

Or is that kind of hatred and division, as it’s whipped up by the govt and it’s press ok to you?

I bet you’re fine with all those forms.

Talking about ‘British people’ have the highest energy rates (not true) gave it away! If you were British you would say ‘we’ or our country has the highest etc etc. It is a dead giveaway!

The unhinged ranting - when most of the country (99%) moved on from this topic some time ago, and those that haven’t probably need to have a closer look at themselves and see if there mental health issues, counselling requirements or examining whether ‘Brexit’ is being used to deflect deeper difficulties.

I don’t know anyone that even talks about this anymore.