To worry about how right wing...

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...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

If you think extreme right, wrt parties in history that were further right - what do you call those?

I just wanted to respond to this to say that this has been massively over inflated. If you actually look at the terror stats, far right extremism is still an absolutely minuscule threat as compared to the traditional groups involved.

If you have a look at some of the studies on this, you’ll find far right extremism and attacks usually come in ‘response’ or as a retaliation to Islamist terror attacks for example. Liverpool is a bit of an abhorration, but it wasn’t wide scale. Tensions arise between communities more frequently at the moment particularly post covid. Remember the riots and fighting going on recently between members of Asian communities in the midlands? There’s a lot of tension and unrest in response to economic issues and other factors that can exacerbate violence and polarisation between communities.

I wouldn’t be too concerned; if you look at far right extremism in Europe we don’t have the same issues at all. And that said, I’m from a minority who are supposedly at risk from the far right. We certainly were in the past but I must say I’m not particularly concerned right now!

Curious to know who the rich white men are systemically raping teenage girls? Yet to hear of this being a real cause for concern as opposed to the general threat of rape against women day to day?

Rapists are by consensus most likely to be white and English in the U.K., based on the fact that this is an English country. You’ll find the % stats of rapists and their ethnicity to proportionally represent to their % population in the U.K. in general. This is probably true in most places.

There is no one ethnicity better or worse in this situation, but we can all agree it is a MALE issue.

Furthermore, issues like Rotherham grooming gangs are of course sensationalised due to the sheer scale of the situation. It absolutely highlights that there are issues within that particular community (and by that I do mean in the specific town too, not regionally) which needs to be addressed. I don’t think we have anything similar to compare it to in the U.K. from other groups. That said, it doesn’t take away from the fact that the U.K. has an issue with male rapists and the vast majority will be white and British! Rich I’m not too sure of ?! 🫠

Thank you! The media where I am didn't report the backstory.

Always funny to see such black and white thinking on this issue. I guess it's easy when you don't live in the middle of it. When you don't deal with any of the ill effects.

Agree. I moved to a town where there is a large Romanian community and also many Roma from Eastern Europe.
Whereas some people make an effort to integrate, many seem to live in a parallel world. There is no social cohesion, I can see why locals would feel overwhelmed by the way their town has changed so rapidly.
I‘m an immigrant myself, and was strongly anti-Brexit during the time of the referendum.
But I can see now why people who voted for it might have felt - if you just refuse to listen to their concerns and call them „gammon“ and „thick“, well than something like Brexit might eventually happen.

Women and pensioners are not able to risk the dangerous journeys to get here. The men come out to attempt to get settled and then bring their wives over safely.

There isn't a local Police station that you can attend. I didn't agree with the protest, as I've said. The Police just deny, as they still are that incidences took place, even though they are on video. But surely there should be education classes for people entering the country and those running the accommodation should oversee that? My DD befriended a couple of African women at a bf group. They knew nothing about NI contributions even though they were self employed and had no recourse to public funds. Likewise the health visitor knew nothing about NRTPF. I helped both sides. I started to help various people across their community.

I live in the liberal socialist heartlands of our country.
you’re right. Not all ‘offenders’ are asylum seekers.
Many convicted offenders of the most horrific crimes against the young are housed right in the middle of our communities.
And yes, when people find out who they are and what they enjoy, they congregate, make a lot of threats, the Police turn up, and they move said offender out and ship them off to live next to other people’s children.
Its the only way people can keep children safe.
They aren’t right wing because they want to protect their children.
When did protecting children become ‘right wing’?
There has been an alarming increase in this modern era of equality of sexualisation of children. In education, in literature, in society, in library ‘story times’, in public toilets. Constant early introduction of our children to the dangers of the sexual world.
This is, without a doubt, a societal move created by and driven forward by the left wing socialism.
What we saw in Liverpool is people outraged at the continued infiltration of their communities by undocumented untracked unchecked young men.
These are communities that already have issues with crime.

Sorry. Wrong Quote.
I was responding to OP saying not all offenders are asylum seekers.

But surely there should be education classes for people entering the country and those running the accommodation should oversee that?

That would involve the govt having to spend money @Ponoka7 . It's not going to happen.. And the people running a lot of the accommodation are the equivalent of slum landlords. Most asylum seekers are not in the modern hotels. They're in run down, dirty places where the owners are thrilled to be taking in government money without providing any services or needing to keep guests comfortable or happy.

One of the people I support sent me a live WhatsApp video of the half dozen mice running around his room. The hotel manager couldn't give a damn.

Can we stop saying Liverpool? This wasn't in Liverpool. Liverpool has a excellent anti fascist record. If I'd have known early enough I'd have been part of the counter group. Members of my family were, as we're a lot of people from Liverpool. The Police started the violence by heavy handed tactics towards easy targets. I agree with you though. We've all got to shut up about the role and view of women according to Islam. But then it fits right in with the METs view.

Very well said 👏 👏

I think also that it needs to be recognised that Knowsley is on of the areas of high deprivation in the UK. The young people also rely on services in Liverpool, which has suffered the most during austerity and the cuts. This isn't a victim mentality (which we are accused of) these are facts. These men are targeting what are very vulnerable young girls, who when they tell the adults in positions of power around them, no one is doing anything. A lot of provisions for children were cut in favour of metal statues on roundabouts and the theatre. Sexual harrasment is another problem the children don't need throwing into the mix. It's either protest or risk arrest for confrontation of individuals.

It's undeniable that the approach of the government towards migrants is becoming more hardline. Is that more right wing or not I really don't know. This is not just an issue in the UK but in other countries too such as Sweden, Germany, France. The more unstable and desperate countries become the more likely people will escape from this. The horror in Turkey and Syria will likely being more.

From what I've read and seen on the news the disturbance had nothing to do with the fact that asylum seekers were being housed in that hotel or the asylum process.

It was to do with some of the residents trying to groom local school girls.

@Ponoka7 This is also a big factor, when people in a community are desperate and see no hope or help from the government they will lash out and take things into their own hands. This Tory government also do a good job of deflecting criticism and attention away from them onto others (EU, migrants, people on benefits, woke, lefties etc.) anyone but themselves when they have systematically failed and destroyed this country. The right wing media are spreading this narrative on a daily basis.

This ^^ I think people are getting sick of the left ramming this woke nonsense down their throats and it’s causing people to go more towards the right. It always seems to me that it’s absolutely fine to slag the right off but if the reverse, they get “cancelled”.

It will get more pronounced not less as global changes happen. Citizens will vote to protect more over time.

The Home Office has imposed a large number of undocumented young males on a very family orientated area. Some of these young men have been propositioning young local ladies and making them feel unsafe.

The families of those young ladies having been ignored by the authorities and branded racist for complaining are now taking matters into their own hands.

I fear this will become more common as nothing is being done about the initial causes that have angered the locals.

@Mummysgogetter woke nonsense like not being a racist? Or sexist? Can you give an example of what you deem to be 'woke nonsense'? Do you read the daily mail per chance?

@Mummysgogetter I despise the far left, but not for the same reasons as you I would imagine. What do you mean by "woke"? Please be specific.

Yes government is becoming more hardline on migration. It should be.

I preferred our arrangement with the EU. This gave us more control, not less. As is pretty clear now, EU migration was supporting public services and industry.

Anyway, if you think Conservative means right wing then the UK is a right wing country. The UK mostly returns conservative governments.

Ultimately if we want a more rigorous asylum and immigration system then we need to pay for the enforcement of it. That is very expensive. Spending money on a public service is not very conservative either!

and Virginia Woolf, Oh, that so reminded me of Blackadder's list of great universities...

Did you add Virginia Woolf to this canonical list for any particular reason!? Thought you'd better add a woman who's not Jane Austen, hey? Couldn't think of a great author after 1900 who isn't inconveniently foreign?

Not one of the authors in your list has ever been cancelled. And Dickens is , even by modern standards, decidedly left wing.

Good to see someone using their brain. Sensible and realistic post, I think. However, I don't believe political views are circular. more of a wavy line as people sway back and forward on various issues.

I'm sure it's terrifying @Thedogscollar. When mobs form, violence is never far away.