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To worry about how right wing...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:38

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

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VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 22:26

Not necessarily extreme, but the drip drip drip of cancelling, trans rights over biological reality, etc.

Ponoka7 · 11/02/2023 22:27

"There is more open racism and homophobia than in the recent past."

Yet we ignore those issues and many more when they are done in the name of religion.

ExistenceOptional · 11/02/2023 22:28

@Ponoka7 So the solution is to physically attach everyone staying in the hostel?

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:28

People on this thread right now are minimising. It's only one in a dozen etc. You would not feel the same if you were in the midst of it. If your children were at risk. You would not be so blasé

ExistenceOptional · 11/02/2023 22:30

Ponoka7 · 11/02/2023 22:27

"There is more open racism and homophobia than in the recent past."

Yet we ignore those issues and many more when they are done in the name of religion.

We really do not. Plenty of women on MN talk about Asian grooming gangs, homophobia of Islam and tensions between people of different ethnicities.
What we ignore is rich white men who rape teenage girls, are racist and homophobic.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 22:32

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:28

People on this thread right now are minimising. It's only one in a dozen etc. You would not feel the same if you were in the midst of it. If your children were at risk. You would not be so blasé

No, we're saying that it's not a necessary indicator of a move to the far right in UK politics.

ExistenceOptional · 11/02/2023 22:32

@NotConvinced1 I would not minimise anything happening to a child.
I do not think the solution is to attack everyone living where they live.

In my City the council put men coming out of prison in one tower block along with homeless single people. They include men who have raped children. Should I go and set fire to the tower block to get them?

JockTamsonsBairns · 11/02/2023 22:33

IntentionalError · 11/02/2023 21:04

The majority of people voted in 2016 to end uncontrolled mass immigration & ‘take back control’ of the country’s borders. Yet six years later we are still being inundated with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Nobody voted for this, so it’s inevitable that some people are going to be very angry indeed about politicians’ failure to tackle the issue, to the point at which they feel they have no alternative but to take direct action.
There is currently a massive gap on the populist right of British politics which is waiting to be filled. People who want action on illegal immigration, rather than more empty words, radical tax & benefit cuts, much lower energy & fuel prices rather than ‘net zero’, the return of the death penalty, ending all the transgender & ‘woke’ crap etc etc are currently politically homeless.

The Brexit vote was never about ending mass illegal immigration. They just added that in to try and secure the vote, and it worked.
A few of us tried to point out the loopholes, but it was called "Project Fear".

So it's a bit difficult to hear that, seven years on, people are unhappy about mass immigration.

BluebellFlowersAreMyFave · 11/02/2023 22:33

@TooBigForMyBoots Keep burying your head in the sand & making up false assumptions after being given the facts. Are you sure you’re not the media.

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:34

Sorry veni, I also don't think it's an indicator to a move to far right. Probably a miscommunication I don't think that at all. Crossed wires I guess

ExistenceOptional · 11/02/2023 22:36

The points system for immigration makes it easier for black and brown people to come to Britain as it is based on skills, not the country you were born in.

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:37

@ExistenceOptional of course not, why would you even put that forward as an idea? Very bizarre when you think that the crime average shows there's a paedophile on every other street. And these people are not that

Mariposa26 · 11/02/2023 22:38

Diverging · 11/02/2023 21:16

I think it is really concerning that there are a lot of men with completely different values coming here. Their attitudes towards women, girls and LGBT people can often be totally different to ours and very frightening.

hugely in agreement with you. Yet suddenly it is “right wing” to say this. It doesn’t seem to be a concern to many people which I just find very short sighted.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 22:38

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:34

Sorry veni, I also don't think it's an indicator to a move to far right. Probably a miscommunication I don't think that at all. Crossed wires I guess

Apology accepted, but not a miscommunication, more evidence of a hive mind...left good, right bad.

earsup · 11/02/2023 22:39

Two Arab lads aged about 14 and 16 were raped by an Afghan male at the migrant hotel near us...police moved the rapist to another hotel...he did a runner and was not found for months....he didn't think he had done anything wrong as back home its seen as quite normal to have sex with younger guys until marriage...Neighbour's 17 year old son is blond hair and walks past on way to college and gets a lot of attention from the guys outside smoking etc...we cant be having these people roaming around.....undocumented...no idea where they from...it will end up like sweden or ireland with the daily marches and protests.

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:39

Not sure about the person above but to think anyone would advocate setting tower blocks on fire is a bit out there

Cuppasoupmonster · 11/02/2023 22:40

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 22:26

Have people really become so extrme in their views that they think those who object to chanting mobs outside refugee hotels want to see more child sex abuse in our country🤯

What the fuck has happened to this country?

But there have always been right wing incidences/movements that have occasionally been in the news. The 80s/90s - National Front, racist football violence, Stephen Lawrence. 2000s - BNP resurgence, Anthony Walker, EDL and similar groups forming.

I actually think the U.K. as a whole has less overtly racist incidences than it has in the past. There’s no appetite for right wing splinter groups like there used to be.

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 11/02/2023 22:40

Viviennemary · 11/02/2023 20:57

I dont find extreme left wing people any better tbh.

This. ^ Both extremes are awful. Far left types are as bad as far right in many ways. I am not a fan of far right, but have to say, I have found far left folk to be a lot more unpleasant, vitriolic, and intolerant.

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:42

No veni because I don't believe that at all. So there's that! I guess

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:47

I'm a dick clearly however. Left wing or right. If you are working class, it does matter

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 22:50

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:28

People on this thread right now are minimising. It's only one in a dozen etc. You would not feel the same if you were in the midst of it. If your children were at risk. You would not be so blasé

You posted this on a thread about a move to far right politics in the UK.

What is your evidence for what you say is linked to the far right?

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 22:52

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:47

I'm a dick clearly however. Left wing or right. If you are working class, it does matter

In what way does it matter?

Statistically life was worse under Mao and Stalin than under Hitler.

Teaandtoast3 · 11/02/2023 22:52

This is because of the Tories and because they blame anyone else except themselves for the failings of the country I.e small boats of refugees / Europe / anyone else convenient.

I don’t actually think the U.K. as a whole is that right wing. I think people are very understandably pissed off at public services being ran into the ground. That they can’t afford to live… and that some people in the U.K. are targeting the wrong people I.e refugees because they’ve swallowed the Governments narrative.

NotConvinced1 · 11/02/2023 22:55

Hey!
Seriously my above were sarcastic
Seriously I have no ulterior motives
I wasn't saying anything was far right. You seem very suspicious which is fine but I was only trying to add my experience as a Bradford girl and my friends who have disappeared

AnElegantChaos · 11/02/2023 23:03

I'm starting to find 'right wing' and 'left wing' total misnomers as it's really more about polarisation, racism and intolerance which is as prevalent on the far left as far right. I used to think the horse shoe was a bit of a myth but the last 7 or 8 years would suggest otherwise.

Social media has sadly enabled this, emboldening some truly horrible individuals who are just lost down conspiracy theory rabbit holes and do little more than espouse hate. Media outlets like GB News, Telegram, Skwawkbox, Canary etc wouldn't have found mainstream platforms even 15 years ago.

PP said there’s less appetite for right wing splinter groups like there used to be - sorry but this this is bullshit - there's just as much appetite but the more extreme elements are being absorbed in mainstream 'acceptable' parties and platforms - UKIP, for instance who at one point became the third largest party. The BNP and NF were always on the margins, nasty fuckers but definitely on the margins because they could never find their way into 'acceptable' politics. Whereas this is not the case today because social media and the internet allows splinter groups to communicate, galvanise and recruit, and before you know it Farage and Trump are the fucking pied pipers.

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