To worry about how right wing...

[TooBigForMyBoots]

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

How can you live in a country with uc, nhs, state pension, etc and say this is a right wing country? Have you seen the USA, leader of the free world? Even their left wing Democrats are further right than our tory government.

I think this. Classic divide and conquer init

... or f’d by the middle.

Absolutely - but most people are too busy virtue signalling or ranting that they fail to see that

It's not a left right thing. It's "who has to make room" thing.

Ask yourself why, when they had the means, that the Conservatives did not restrict immigration (asylum they just made worse because they lost the ability to deport and return so that was an own goal). They have had over a decade.

That could have meant curtailing workers in restaurants. It could have meant checking language schools. It could have meant fining universities that kept on students from outside the UK but never attended. It could have meant enforcement at the border that was paid for. Caps could have been implemented. And for companies that used illegal labour, they could have been prosecuted and fined.

Instead, none of that. Just a vote to get people stirred up and then do nothing. Make the Home Sec a Ugandan Asian. Job done.

It has nothing to do with left or right wing.

And everything to do with being thick, uneducated yobs with nothing better to do than cause trouble and kick off.

I seriously doubt these people even bother to vote.

A descendent of Ugandan Asians, rather, as Priti Patel is all British.!

@DownNative @Clavinova You need to get on that Wiki page and correct it, thats what the edit function is there for..... or maybe you are wrong? wouldn't be the first time.

As for SF and IRA being one in the same thing? better rip up the GFA as the UK never negotiates with terrorists... & i doubt very much that McGuiness and Rev Paisley would have become firm friends either..

fwiw my childhood cousin was killed in NI, i hold no truck with those bunch of killers (IRA) but the idea they espouse left wing ideals is bollox, they are criminal /terrorist organisation, funded by anything from drugs smuggling armed robbery protection trafficking anything..

Living through lefty craziness? We've had a Tory government for over 12 years now; a purely Tory government (no coalition) for over 7 years.

Well said.

He is not very left wing… he is turning into Tony Blair

I think the PP was referring to Jeremy Corbyn.

However, he was dumped by his own party.

Starmer is not far left; neither are most Labour leaders.

Tory leaders are mostly not far right themselves, but are sometimes too willing to give in to pressure from those who are, notably Farage,

Yes, and it's everywhere. It's difficult to find somewhere that hasn't been captured

The other day I went to a museum which used to be excellent, educational and absolutely devoid of any political leanings

But, unsurprisingly, someone had decided it was not inclusive enough (it was) and had to be 'decolonised'

During the visit, they were telling to visitor's FACES (who were mostly British), how evil we are and all sorts of divisive nonsensical rethoric. Of course most of us are too polite to make a fuss, but looking at people's expressions you could feel the discomfort and disgust at what was being said

It's likely many will not bother visiting again or recommend the place to others, will cancel memberships, etc. Their loss, but of course,when their numbers don't add up, they will blame it on something else

As I say, I don't condone violence but can understand why people are fed up and may take to the streets to protest. It's too much disrespect and the 'no debate' dogma makes it impossible for people to speak up without being called all sorts and ostracised

@Alexandra2001

I think you misunderstood what I was saying - in the minds of the vast majority who voted Brexit they did so for reasons relating to the EU control. They were not racist in those views - and voting for Brexit does not make them racist regardless of what some campaigners were saying.

Europe proved to be sinking ship.
It’s now and economic basket case.

@twelly

I agree with you. Quite a few members of my DH’s family voted Brexit. My DH thought about voting that way too. (He didn’t, because he could see that Brexit would be a disaster, especially in the hands of this Tory Government, who he very much dislikes.)

None of them are in the least bit racist; it was very definitely because of a distrust of EU integration.

Obviously, a lot of the Brexit campaigning was very racist, and I agree with the OP that this country has become much more overtly racist than it was pre 2016.

We are the Economic Basket case @ElliF. The UK through, governance and votes, has weakened its global influence, destroyed its economy, neglected its nation's health and education and has become an uninvestable, unstable, increasingly isolated, small place with no plan.

Brexit wasn't inherently a right wing move. Plenty of socialists wanted out, viewing the organisation as a corporate cartel, corrupted by lobbying. The late Tony Benn was a Eurosceptic, while Corbyn kept very quiet about which side he supported. Several unions too favoured leaving.

Those smugly complaining that no one learns from the history of racism really need to learn the history of what happens in times of gross economic inequality. Those are the times we are living in, and it is the breakdown of communication between those who can rely on inheritance and those who have to work 2 jobs to earn a crust - if they are lucky it will be a crust, not crumbs - that I find scary. Britain is teetering on the edge of an abyss, and it is the reemergence of the class system that has done it.

There has always been 'inequality' 🙄Name a time when it was different

I think OP is naive if they think extreme behaviour and views like this are limited to the extreme right wing

Brexit wasn't inherently a right wing move. Plenty of socialists wanted out, viewing the organisation as a corporate cartel, corrupted by lobbying. The late Tony Benn was a Eurosceptic, while Corbyn kept very quiet about which side he supported. Several unions too favoured leaving

Whilst some on the left did, almost all the right wing supported Brexit, look at the political views of the ERG or the Eurosceptic parties in the EU....all right wing.

I think Brexit very much had its roots in right wing politics but not all brexit voters were RW.

However, the most vocal backers of Brexit did so for political purposes & to gain power, they used brexit as a vehicle for this... Bojo is the classic example of this...

Corbyn did back remain in 2016 & gave several interviews stating so (at the time) he said the case for remain was overwhelming and that he gave the EU 7 to 7.5 out of 10... pre becoming leader he was eurosceptic... unions wanted to leave because of state aid rules.

Blair in his early days was a eurosceptic

I don’t believe for one minute Corbyn voted to Remain Corbin never shifts politically this is why he isn’t leader material

the hero of the moment to many on the left Mick Lynch is a supporter of Brexit (just not this governments Brexit) but that seems ok with many 🙄

Of course, no one can argue against that but there are degrees of inequality...

Latest figures from Credit Suisse in 2021 show there are approximately 685,500 Britons in the richest 1%, with a total wealth of $3.4 trillion (£2.8 trillion). In comparison, approximately 48 million Britons, 70 per cent of the population, have a total wealth of $2.9 trillion (£2.4 billion)

The average wealth of the top 1% is £3.6m & £2.8trillion is more than the UK's total GDP.

So those that say "oh we can't tax the rich, they pay too much, the rest of you can pay more instead..." are probably well off themselves.

unions wanted to leave because of state aid rules.

That can't be a bad thing