To worry about how right wing...

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...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

And what Twelly said

@twelly The police said it was extreme far right protesters.
Were you there?

My view, for what it’s worth (zero), is that if you disenfranchise people enough, take away their livelihoods, take away their dignity, berate them and threaten their health, their homes and their children, and dedicate years to raising their cortisol levels with fear of other cultures and racial division, and then press dissimilar people’s living in poverty together for the fun or it, and let young men loose, you get the result you are expecting. It’s exactly what is meant to happen when you play these types of games with peoples lives.

The solution is quite simple. Identify the most affluent and lowest crime neighbourhoods in the UK and bus those who require housing and welfare into those communities. They are wealthier and better equipped to care for people these hard working, honest and decent young men with temporary housing and employment issues.

But I’m guessing the NIMBYism in you would not like that. I’m guessing you’re not opening a spare bedroom (metaphorically speaking) to a nice 20-something young man from wherever just looking for your help getting back on his feet.

Do you just complain and berate the oppressed or do you have something constructive to contribute now that you started the conversation?

@ExistenceOptional No I was not there, my point is that lack of debate and the quickness to label people as either phobic or racist means discussion doesn't happen. The same has happened with the gender debate - people feel they can't express their views openly.

We are moving to a flash point where people feel powerless and don't know how to express themselves because they are labeled were they famous it would be called cancelled.

It's got a lot worse since Brexit, which was essentially a licence to be openly racist.

I completely agree with you in regards to manufacturing fear of people from other cultures. Unfortunately the Brexit Leave Campaign did that.

Your guesses of NIMBYism with me, are just that, guesses. And I don't have a spare bedroom. I live in a 2 bed council house in a very deprived area.

No. We have seen throughout the world that imposing our money and our wealth on communities, however we dress it up, destroys them. We have never succeeded to lifting. Country out of poverty without also destroying the country’s social and moral fabric.

What I would do is pump aid into a country to better educate the boys and girls, and do it slowly over time with no requirement of expectation of anything in return, and no means of influencing what or how they choose to educate their children.

If they choose to educate their girls, two generations Dow the line the odds are high they will have a prosperous society that had developed their own identity and confidence to stand on the world stage alongside other nations.

A mother’s education is the single greatest indicator of the likelihood of success and happiness in adult life for children of both all genders. Why not just educate everyone and leave the rest of society to developer freely without undue influence between conflicting power centres with conflicting agendas?

@ElliF do you think the mobs at the college and the hotel are OK?

It is the decision of the country to attract tourists. Of the people who benefit.

I grew up in a place that has benefited, slowly at first, now more markedly. It wasn’t imposed it was a fair bit of work on behalf of the state to attract, do PR, allow or encourage people to build what was attractive. Over a decade and it has worked.

Are you sure those with tourist livelihoods in Croatia don’t want that? Would they vote for aid over a thriving tourist economy do you think

Brexit again!!!

Move the fuck on!!!

The country has moved on. Now we've got mobs.

Is the abuse you and fellow Jewish people suffering from right wingers or left wingers?

We have been a right wing country for many years, we don't protest.. even when fundamental freedoms taken away, right to strike, political appointment to supreme court, restrict SC to strike down "illegal laws"..,, in fact we agree with them!!

We are the only European country to vote to leave the EU, mainly based on racism & if you look at the Freedom party or RN election manifesto's the last tory party had some very similar policies..... some less so, some more to the right.

However, i do think this is changing, people slowly are starting to realise we are being conned.

Ah, the But Brexit crowd with same old BS.
No money... Butt Brexit.
Immigration problem... But Brexit.
Bad health service... But Brexit.
Poverty in our cities... But Brexit.
They always manage to pull the same excuse out of their butts.

Why not take the time to provide a clear and coherent response that indicates one has considered one’s opinion and based it on fact, rather than just rummages around in the tires old bag of canned responses and pulled Brexit out of one’s butt yet again.

And for the record, I was not here and had no vote when it happened and I didn’t follow it on the news, so I had no pony in that little race and I couldn’t have cared less about either side of that particular dance. The world is much bigger than this little island when it comes to anything important.

Just thinking about the aid thing I am opposed to the idea we get to live these lives as long as we give aid to other countries but deny them prosperity in their communities from travel.

It seems very infantilising

Why? the brexit w$nkers never did when they comprehensively lost in 1975, just moan, lie, fuggin more lies & moaning....

...and now look what you people have done to country, ruined it... we were doing alright until Cameron/Bojo let the idiots loose, now we have no money and can't borrow anymore... so tax rises it will be.

I think suggesting that the Brexit vote was "mainly based on racism" illustrates what I have been trying to say - people voted Brexit for a range of reason, not everyone who voted for Brexit was racist. Some will have been yes - but the labelling of people is part of the problem as it stiffles debate. The same is occurring with the migrant issue - people feel they can't express their view without being called racist.

Because people are taking the streets as they have no voice. Mumsnet is always advocating for people to ‘take to the streets’. Well this is what happens when they do. They often voice an unpopular opinion which is why people are much better persuaded to stay inside.

The police, who were forward and hands on in Rotherham, Blackpool, Oxford, Bolton, Rochdale, Govanhill etc etc - and aided by politicians, councillors etc.

Neither? Maybe from ignorant ill educated AHs. The UK is full of them and they all sail under banners of convenience. Red or Blue or Rainbow coloured. An ill educated AH is still fundamentally an ill educated AH, and they all act the same. Maybe we need to stop breeding them. They come from ill educated parents with antisocial tendencies and entitlement complexes.

I don't condone violence and I don't condone mobs

However, I'm always suspicious when people spontaneously congregate to protest and express their frustration (as it seems to have been the case with the hotel) and suddenly a van gets torched or the police injured. It's very easy to infiltrate these events so that the other side is blamed

The other difference between the college and the hotel, is that the mob at the college had a brand, a name and were wearing 'uniforms'. It looks like an orchestrated political activity so it's more difficult to be empathetic

Okay so you do not think the police can identify the extreme right wing? Even though they track individuals and groups?
Or maybe you are just refusing to accept the truth that the police confirmed the extreme right wing involvement in the mob.

Do they track left wing extremists also?

Or maybe you are just refusing to accept the truth that the police confirmed the extreme right wing involvement in the mob

I'm not refusing to accept anything. I don't see your point.

First of all, we don't know the background of those who were arrested and/or caused damage. So we don't know whether those who were arrested belonged to extreme right wing groups. Also, a 'mob' is not homogeneous, there could have been all sorts of people there - parents, right wing, extreme right wing, extreme left wing, etc. That's why we can't say that ALL of them were extreme right wing, ALL of them were racist, etc.

There have been no left wing terror attacks in the U.K.

The IRA were a left-wing terrorist organisation.

Although if the op is correct, she should be worried about the Republic of Ireland - with whom we still have freedom of movement. Recent events there "are not indicative of a safe, stable country" (to quote the op) -

unherd.com/2023/02/the-rise-of-irelands-anti-migrant-protests/

www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41063300.html

www.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/hundreds-march-through-dublin-city-centre-in-protest-against-asylum-seekers/296403641.html

They do track left wing extremists and groups as well.
There are police whose job it is to track any extremists and extreme groups.