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To think that 'gender affirming care" is barbaric and should be banned?

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Appalonia · 10/02/2023 21:12

This article is from the US but these procedures have been carried out in the UK. Teenagers who are confused and vulnerable do not have the mental capacity to consent to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or life altering surgery.

Please read this devastating article from a whistleblower who has been working in a gender clinic in the US.

www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 09:01

”Find it very, very weird you're crying over the potential sexual experiences of a young person who evidently does not want to have those experiences”

It is those who have dismissed the health impacts, who dismiss the lack of sexual function, fertility and the lack of improved long term mental health who are the ones who need to evaluate their own actions.

If they have read written opinion based on research with flimsy conclusions, or by a group who take biased surveys and amplify the findings or haven’t checked the facts properly because they were published by the ‘wrong person’ (usually someone who a community has declared transphobic for raising an alarm), or published in the ‘wrong media’, the onus I am afraid is on that person dismissing these major impacts to accept their actions.

Many of us who are concerned have done the research for personal reasons. We get called obsessed with other people’s sex lives, and other people’s business. no. fuck that. I will not be shamed because some other poster wants to frame my concern in that way.

That is a classic extreme activist tactic and is hiding the truth. Usually that the person trying to shame others either has a very low bar for being convinced by evidence or has none (because they never actually link it up).

Or has fully outsourced their own critical thinking to either self-described ‘influencers’ or lobby groups who are heavily invested and only ever change direction when forced (like when they were sending out tool kits to school telling young children they could be born in the wrong bodies or if they like activities associated with the opposite sex, they may be the opposite sex).

Or it could be all three.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 09:07

Either way, if you are fully comfortable to accept such high health risks for others, or for your own children, please start posting links to the studies and the papers that convinced you.

If you haven’t got that evidence, why are you on this thread trying to shame others for their concerns.

I think those reading this thread will have noticed that we are at page 8 and there is not one link posted to support the claims or to support the ready dismissal of the significant health impacts.

Despite now several posters either actively dismissing those effects through minimising behaviour, or mocking others concerns or straight out false accusations of hatred.

And those posters doing that dismissing, mocking and accusing seem to have absolutely fuck all to contribute other than that, certainly no evidence to convince otherwise. It all seems to stem from a deep abiding prejudice held by those about posters who disagree with them. So it is really just the same old recycling of shame tactics and projection.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 09:43

In fact, here is an indication on how the Scottish equivalent of the Tavistock operate.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dffaa4b0-abbc-11ed-9cb3-80326348937b?shareToken=4411983868d8a77b64f7d7ea08e2d520

According to the Scottish Pathway for Trans Healthcare (Spath), updated last September, “best practice” has “moved away from psychiatric assessments that focus on evaluating how ‘gender dysphoric’ a person is”. Instead, treatment should consider a patient’s “readiness for initiating particular aspects of gender-affirming healthcare”. The conclusion is thereby established before the evidence supporting it.

Counselling should not be considered “a prerequisite for any gender-affirming healthcare”. There is no need to explore the depth or conviction or provenance of a person’s gender discordance. On the contrary, their declared sense of themselves should simply be affirmed. By such means, even those who do not obviously need medical intervention should nevertheless receive it.

and this part seems pertinent to post as well…

“We must take these issues seriously,” Nicola Sturgeon said last year, “but we owe it to everybody also to treat these issues incredibly sensitively”. This is code. “Sensitively” here really means “these issues should not be discussed in public”. See nothing, say nothing, think nothing.

Empowermenomore · 14/02/2023 10:11

Totally agree with @Helleofabore

unfortunately very young children with very ill health will confront their health choices with a view to save their lives. They do so with reliable, robust and unbiased research data and counselled by parents and specialists.

The Dysphoria discussed by PO seems to require interventions on healthy bodies with various and diverse mental conditions. Autism being detected on approx 30% of the girls referred. And one model (affirmation) for all patients, advocated by IT managers (former CEO of Mermaids and associate to the Gender GP Webberley’s fiasco) or the gendered intelligence ginger bread non binary man.

with regards to my concern about children not growing into fully functional adults, maybe look into the father of this ideology and medical path Dr Money. You could find a thing or two. Also read around the WPATH and Dr Harry Benjamin.

children need the same standard of care whether they have a life threatening condition or mental distress. It cannot be disregarded as they know best, and proceed to give them a double mastectomy just because they want one.

grow up, read and learn and don’t wish away the health of children just because they are going through a bad patch!

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 10:33

And if people start looking into Money, they should also look into Foucault. After all, Foucault is often discussed as being the ‘father’ of gender ideology. He was one of those responsible for lowering the age of consent to 14 in France leading to child sex abuse that is only now being discussed by the victims because their abusers are powerful figures in France.

Foucault was all about destabilising societal norms, language and laws.

And is now understood to have been a paedophile.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-philosopher-michel-foucault-abused-boys-in-tunisia-6t5sj7jvw

Plug this link into archive sites.

It is actually well written about so it will be easy enough to find. There are also articles written about his role in lowering the legal age of consent to 14 in France in the name of sexually liberating children, apparently for those children’s benefit.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 11:46

TheKeatingFive · 14/02/2023 08:59

The risks for female transition seem so much higher than for male transitioners.

Im not sure about that, those fake vaginas seem to be total medical liabilities. But perhaps a much smaller number get to that stage.

That is kind of true.

Except when you then look at the complication rates and the number of operations needed to create a fake penis. That is not including the issues around having most of a forearm muscle removed from all around the bone to create that fake penis.

So, yes the fake vaginas with the reports of ingrown hairs or if from dissected intestine, the smell that never diminishes are not as successful as they are lauded to be . But the symmetry on this, the fake penis surgeries are even more brutal and have even lower success rates.

And yet, it is only recently that some trans people have even spoken out about how disappointed they are, how they expected so much because of only being able to read the good results.

It is like trying to find the negative side effects of wearing a binder. WE KNOW that there are major issues in too many instances. But search engines simply cannot seem to local them as the first x pages are all about agencies telling teenagers how beneficial they are and playing down the negative side effects. I remember reading a surgeon stating, 'if you have regrets later.... just get implants'. Like that will solve the issues of scar tissue and lasting damage, loss of nipple sensation and the breezy 'you don't have to breastfeed, so what are you worried about' attitude of some people posting on line.

TicketBoo23 · 14/02/2023 12:09

housemaus · 13/02/2023 20:53

Find it very, very weird you're crying over the potential sexual experiences of a young person who evidently does not want to have those experiences.

Teenagers & young people change their minds a lot.

It's called growing up.

Brain does not stop developing til 21 and I'd say all of us could say we learned a lot in life and perhaps changed a lot through our terms, twenties, thirties and beyond.

When I hear teenagers speaking on public transport they very much strike me as older kids .... Their ideas & concepts their preoccupations, how they express themselves .... They are not adult humans

And they should not be making life changing decisions. They should be safe guarded.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 12:14

SinnerBoy · 12/02/2023 16:23

Helleofabore · Today 10:46

I am looking forward to Tandora producing evidence to support their claims where that evidence in relevant and stands up to scrutiny. So far on other threads that has not been forthcoming.

I think she's read a few propaganda articles online and fallen for it, hook, line and sinker and isn't bright, or honest enough to stand back and reassess things. I get that impression by the extreme twisting of poster's words.

I think Sinner I was too optimistic. As last time, there seems there is nothing to offer by way of evidenced and reasoned contribution.

But hey, at least this time we were not subjected to direct personal attacks and being called 'ignorant' with all the weird mocking dramatics as what happened on another thread. By that I mean, repeatedly posting 'you are all ignorant' over and over and then having nothing to contribute by hastily searched on google studies that were not really even relevant, leaves readers understanding what projection is.

However, it is a great live demonstration of the tactics used of emotional manipulation, dishonest posting and twisted takes used to try to discredit others. Or maybe it is just to feel better about themselves, I have not worked it out. Maybe others will have better insight into the motivation of that style of engagement.

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2023 12:16

However, it is a great live demonstration of the tactics used of emotional manipulation, dishonest posting and twisted takes used to try to discredit others.

Yes, the "Shut up and agree with me, or you're a racist and you smell!" tactic, which teenagers tend to have abandoned.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 12:34

I personally love the condescending asides that come with the posts. The 'I am taking my time out to answer your ignorance' posts across different threads show that tactic you suggest rather well, I thought.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 13:04

Every review of this new book by Hannah Barnes pulls out a very different aspect of the scandal. I am not sure how the Tavistock executives thought they would get away with this.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/91450fd0-a3c5-11ed-8e45-d36dad29d912?shareToken=1b4e1a994662ddf89c244363c01812ad

In 2016, James Bellringer, an eminent consultant urologist, visited the Tavistock child gender identity development service (GIDS) to issue a warning. A specialist in creating “neo-vaginas” in adult trans women, he had noted that natal boys were being given puberty-blocking drugs so young that their penises hadn’t yet fully developed. With insufficient skin for surgery, he was having to construct vaginas with stretches of bowel tissue, a more hazardous, expensive operation, prone to infection and an “unwanted smell”.

Senior GIDS clinicians, including its director, Polly Carmichael, listened to Bellringer and afterwards one psychotherapist proposed writing a leaflet to forewarn parents of boys contemplating blockers. She drafted this, then emailed it to Carmichael for approval. No reply ever came.

then

according to the many whistleblowers Barnes talks to, feared this leaflet would reach Mermaids, a trans charity that is gung-ho for medical intervention in children, which would then accuse her of fear-mongering and transphobia.

So, again clinicians and surgeons raising alarms and nothing, nothing was done.

Or, as we have seen here on this thread, anyone trying to raise the alarm is portrayed as 'Why is there so much hatred towards trans people? This is the problem.' or 'you have no idea what you are talking about.'

Those comments are in the same fuckwittery league as 'it is just a small number'. I notice that not one poster has answered the 'how many children and teens are acceptable collateral' question.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 13:09

I suspect next the comments will be along the line of 'this is a book written by a transphobic investigative journalist who hates trans people and so do all the therapists, surgeons and other clinicians contributing. And it is just a few clinicians, not many - all the rest must agree because they don't say anything'.

That is the level of discourse we seem to be at. Anything perceived to be negative, let's just portray it is 'hate', as 'ignorance' and hope everyone else reading will dismiss it. Because, there can be 'no debate'.

RedToothBrush · 14/02/2023 14:24

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2023 12:16

However, it is a great live demonstration of the tactics used of emotional manipulation, dishonest posting and twisted takes used to try to discredit others.

Yes, the "Shut up and agree with me, or you're a racist and you smell!" tactic, which teenagers tend to have abandoned.

The adults amplifying the teenage level arguments and the publishers tolerating the teenage level arguments in the work place and the people in medicine who are bowing to the teenage level argument...

...are kinda scary tbh.

SinnerBoy · 14/02/2023 15:10

Yes, indeed.

Vebrithien · 14/02/2023 16:37

Does any know when we can expect the full Cass report?

Helleofabore · 14/02/2023 17:00

Vebrithien

I saw this the other day. She said on 31st January

"The Review will continue to share information as it becomes available, and I anticipate submitting a final report to NHSE by the end of the year."

cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Cass-Review_Letter-to-NHSE_Jan23.pdf

There may be some more findings released in summer if I am reading this letter correctly.

Helleofabore · 18/02/2023 15:47

Just adding this from this weekend. It is not just the UK. Australia is raising the alarms as well.

Doctor scrutiny on gender clinic reveals legal and safety fears
The Australian , Natasha Robinson, 17th February 2023

archive.ph/DMT87

"Senior physicians at the NSW Children’s Hospital Westmead’s gender clinic have studied the physical and mental health of 79 patients in a rare academic study of the outcomes of children who presented with gender distress and gender dysphoria. The findings cast doubt on the scientific basis of the gender-affirming approach followed by the nation’s other children’s hospitals."

"In an open access academic paper, CHW psychiatrists, endocrinologists and other physicians, and a senior medical ethics expert, called for a “much more nuanced and complex approach” as analysis revealed 88 per cent of children presenting at Westmead’s gender clinic had at least one co-morbid mental health condition, with more than 50 per cent diagnosed with behavioural disorders or autism. One in five children who consulted the clinic with gender-related distress later had these feelings resolved, and almost one in 10 with a formal diagnosis of gender dysphoria, some who had taken puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, later discontinued transitioning."

And

"The CHW doctors have raised concerns that “many unknowns remain” regarding the long-term effects of puberty blockers, which are described by the Royal Children's Hospital Melbourne as “reversible in their effects”. International evidence is in fact casting greater doubt on whether the effects of these medications are reversible. Endocrine reviews of the CHW patient cohort documented side-effects in 23 of the 49 young people prescribed puberty blockers, including low bone density, hot flushes, weight gain and anxiety. The CHW doctors raised concerns about long-term effects on patients’ sexual function in adulthood."

"Within the 9 per cent cohort of patients with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria who had desisted – that is, discontinued the transgender pathway 4-9 years after consulting the gender clinic – three had undergone puberty suppression beginning at the average age of 12. Three had taken cross-sex hormones, one from as young as 15, but not prescribed by CHW. The effects of cross-sex hormones, including infertility, are irreversible."

The article above refers to

Distress: A Prospective Follow-Up Study

by Joseph Elkadi, Catherine Chudleigh, Ann M. Maguire, Geoffrey R. Ambler, Stephen Scher and Kasia Kozlowska

www.mdpi.com/2227-9067/10/2/314

Across the world the alarms are being raised. And still we have posters who will try to frame people raising the alarm on MN as being hateful in an attempt to silence or dismiss what is being said.

I truly wonder just at what point those posters will admit there are issues that need to be addressed with the affirming only treatment paths that have been pushed by groups so heavily invested they will not listen to the clinicians they expect to do these treatments.

Helleofabore · 19/02/2023 23:00

there is quite a lot coming out at the moment. Here is a documentary about US gender care, the back ground, just a sample of the detransitioners speaking up (these were detransitioners I hadn’t seen before, some were trans social media influencers at the vanguard of social media influencing).

This documentary has clinician voices as well.

It is a very clear documentary that raises many questions while answering many as well. This should be something that everyone commenting on threads should watch.

affirmationgenerationmovie.com/

Affirming Generation. It is high quality and free to view.

Appalonia · 19/02/2023 23:21

That documentary is fantastic. It sets out the facts very clearly, has insightful comments from therapists and from many detransitioners who talk about how quickly they were transitioned and the devastating effects it had on them. It deserves to be widely shared and I really wish the BBC or C4 would have the guts to show it, as it would blow this whole deceitful mess wide open. Sadly I doubt this will happen, so PLEASE share it within your own circle of influence. We will not stop talking about this until these abhorrent practices in children are banned.

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 12:47

Hi @Appalonia, I hope you don't mind but this week has seen another flurry of content that anyone with any interest in 'gender affirming care' should be reading or watching.

This week seems to be about the appalling weakness of evidence that has formed the basis of these treatment plans. You never know, posters like Tandora might actually start taking notice of what many of us are saying if they really do care about the standard of medical treatment recommendations. Rather than saying they do yet never once acknowledging the issues with it. That is a very sure sign of ideological thinking, yet those posters will also never either see that or acknowledge that.

www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382

Gender dysphoria in young people is rising—and so is professional disagreement

Jennifer Block, investigations reporter 23 February 2023

These are just a few of the relevant paragraphs:

Guyatt, who co-developed GRADE, found “serious problems” with the Endocrine Society guidelines, noting that the systematic reviews didn’t look at the effect of the interventions on gender dysphoria itself, arguably “the most important outcome.” He also noted that the Endocrine Society had at times paired strong recommendations—phrased as “we recommend”—with weak evidence. In the adolescent section, the weaker phrasing “we suggest” is used for pubertal hormone suppression when children “first exhibit physical changes of puberty”; however, the stronger phrasing is used to “recommend” GnRHa treatment.

“GRADE discourages strong recommendations with low or very low quality evidence except under very specific circumstances,” Guyatt told The BMJ. Those exceptions are “very few and far between,” and when used in guidance, their rationale should be made explicit, Guyatt said. In an emailed response, the Endocrine Society referenced the GRADE system’s five exceptions, but did not specify which it was applying.

Helfand examined the recently updated WPATH Standards of Care and noted that it “incorporated elements of an evidence based guideline.” For one, WPATH commissioned a team at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland to conduct systematic reviews.3435 However, WPATH’s recommendations lack a grading system to indicate the quality of the evidence—one of several deficiencies. Both Guyatt and Helfand noted that a trustworthy guideline would be transparent about all commissioned systematic reviews: how many were done and what the results were. But Helfand remarked that neither was made clear in the WPATH guidelines and also noted several instances in which the strength of evidence presented to justify a recommendation was “at odds with what their own systematic reviewers found.”

For example, one of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.”35 The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.

Despite this, WPATH recommends that young people have access to treatments after comprehensive assessment, stating that the “emerging evidence base indicates a general improvement in the lives of transgender adolescents.”12 And more globally, WPATH asserts, “There is strong evidence demonstrating the benefits in quality of life and well-being of gender-affirming treatments, including endocrine and surgical procedures,” procedures that “are based on decades of clinical experience and research; therefore, they are not considered experimental, cosmetic, or for the mere convenience of a patient. They are safe and effective at reducing gender incongruence and gender dysphoria.”12

and

Sweden conducted systematic reviews in 2015 and 2022 and found the evidence on hormonal treatment in adolescents “insufficient and inconclusive.”24 Its new guidelines note the importance of factoring the possibility that young people will detransition, in which case “gender confirming treatment thus may lead to a deteriorating of health and quality of life (i.e., harm).”

Cochrane, an international organisation that has built its reputation on delivering independent evidence reviews, has yet to publish a systematic review of gender treatments in minors. But The BMJ has learnt that in 2020 Cochrane accepted a proposal to review puberty blockers and that it worked with a team of researchers through 2021 in developing a protocol, but it ultimately rejected it after peer review. A spokesperson for Cochrane told The BMJ that its editors have to consider whether a review “would add value to the existing evidence base,” highlighting the work of the UK’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, which looked at puberty blockers and hormones for adolescents in 2021. “That review found the evidence to be inconclusive, and there have been no significant primary studies published since.”

In 2022 the state of Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration commissioned an overview of systematic reviews looking at outcomes “important to patients” with gender dysphoria, including mental health, quality of life, and complications. Two health research methodologists at McMaster University carried out the work, analysing 61 systematic reviews and concluding that “there is great uncertainty about the effects of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries in young people.” The body of evidence, they said, was “not sufficient” to support treatment decisions.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 13:00

Sex Matters had a webinar this week with Dr Michael Biggs and Matilda Gosling.

Sex Matters child gender medicine webinar 23rd February 2023

This is a pretty good wrap up of where this 'evidence' is currently and some of the back ground. Including the fact that the first patient of the Dutch Protocol, a female transitioner was reported to have told the Dutch clinicians that they were still gender dysphoric after TWO DECADES and clinicians still reported this as some sort of success.

Plus Matilda pointed out this pertinent bit of information which I have snatched off the Break it down from me post.

There is a slide in this presentation at 25.20 that I think is crucial to understand. That Wiepjes

Time to follow-up 4.6 yrs
Time to regret - 10.8 yrs

van der Loos et al (2023) & Wiepjes et al (2018)

That time to regret was noted in this study

academic.oup.com/jsm/article/15/4/582/6980345?login=false

"The Amsterdam Cohort of Gender Dysphoria Study (1972–2015): Trends in Prevalence, Treatment, and Regrets". April 2018

Chantal M. Wiepjes et al.

"in our population the average time to regret was 130 months, so it might be too early to examine regret rates in people who started with HT in the past 10 years."

So, for all those people, including posters on this thread, who are constantly minimising the 'detransitioner' numbers, what the fuck do they think is going to start happening in a matter of years? What the fuck do they think the scenario is going to look like by the end of this decade considering the numbers now speaking out?

It really is time for some of these people to either stop falling back on the very childish 'you are all ignorant' and actually read what is being posted and stop childishly dismissing anything that they don't like the author of without coming up with their own dissection of what that author is saying.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 13:12

Tandora · 12/02/2023 10:11

By “open exploratory therapy” , you mean conversion therapy to try persuade them to be normal because people like you don’t like it otherwise.

Just adding these comments from the BMJ article to this very clearly poorly informed take from Tandora. Poorly informed because all that Tandora has done for a couple of threads now is show just how ideologically based their understanding of medical treatment for females and in particular for adolescent female transitioners is.

under the heading of The rush to affirm

Sarah Palmer, a paediatrician in private practice in Indiana, is one of five coauthors of a 2022 resolution submitted to the AAP’s leadership conference asking that it revisit the policy after “a rigorous systematic review of available evidence regarding the safety, efficacy, and risks of childhood social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and surgery.” In practice, Palmer told The BMJ, clinicians define “gender affirming” care so broadly that “it’s been taken by many people to mean go ahead and do anything that affirms. One of the main things I’ve seen it used for is masculinising chest surgery, also known as mastectomy in teenage patients.” The AAP has told The BMJ that all policy statements are reviewed after five years and so a “revision is under way,” based on its experts’ own “robust evidence review.”

Palmer says, “I’ve seen a quick evolution, from kids with a very rare case of gender dysphoria who were treated with a long course of counselling and exploration before hormones were started,” to treatment progressing “very quickly—even at the first visit to gender clinic—and there’s no psychologist involved anymore.”

Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist who worked with the endocrinologist Norman Spack in Boston and coauthored the WPATH guidelines for adolescents, has observed a similar trend. “More providers do not value the mental health component,” she says, so in some clinics families come in and their child is “pretty much fast tracked to medical intervention.” In a study of teens at Seattle Children’s Hospital’s gender clinic, two thirds were taking hormones within 12 months of the initial visit.38

These are clinicians ALL stating that not enough exploratory therapy, if any, is being given, while expressing concern at this.

ONLY a person deeply believing in ideology would continue to frame exploratory therapy with conversion therapy.

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 13:18

One more thing I was reminded of that Matilda Gosling from the Sex Matters webinar reminded me of regarding 'detransitioner' rates.

academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/107/9/e3937/6572526?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false

”Continuation of Gender-affirming Hormones Among Transgender Adolescents and Adults”

Christina M Roberts,
David A Klein, Terry A Adirim,
Natasha A Schvey, Elizabeth Hisle-Gorman

22 April 2022

Results
The study sample included 627 transmasculine and 325 transfeminine individuals with an average age of 19.2 ± 5.3 years. The 4-year gender-affirming hormone continuation rate was 70.2% (95% CI, 63.9-76.5). Transfeminine individuals had a higher continuation rate than transmasculine individuals 81.0% (72.0%-90.0%) vs 64.4% (56.0%-72.8%). People who started hormones as minors had higher continuation rate than people who started as adults 74.4% (66.0%-82.8%) vs 64.4% (56.0%-72.8%). Continuation was not associated with household income or family member type. In Cox regression, both transmasculine gender identity (hazard ratio, 2.40; 95% CI, 1.50-3.86) and starting hormones as an adult (hazard ratio, 1.69; 95% CI, 1.14-2.52) were independently associated with increased discontinuation rates.

The important part here:

"The 4-year gender-affirming hormone continuation rate was 70.2% (95% CI, 63.9-76.5)."

If after 4 years ONLY 70.2% have continued hormones, that shows a 30% hormone cessation rate. How many of those have 'detransitioned'? Well, potentially a very large portion of them. The rate for females ceasing hormone therapy was 35% after 4 years. If a female has not had a complete hysterectomy, why would they stop hormones and restart menstruation if they were still transitioned?

Can the mounting evidence be ANY clearer? There are issues that are starting to show the cracks.

Keeley1472 · 24/02/2023 13:35

I know this article you linked is convincing on fist read. But it’s not written in good faith.

please read this analysis too for a bit more of the broader context of how this piece of writing came to be in your feed.

erininthemorn.substack.com/p/missouri-anti-trans-whistleblower

Helleofabore · 24/02/2023 16:15

Keeley1472 · 24/02/2023 13:35

I know this article you linked is convincing on fist read. But it’s not written in good faith.

please read this analysis too for a bit more of the broader context of how this piece of writing came to be in your feed.

erininthemorn.substack.com/p/missouri-anti-trans-whistleblower

Before I go through this @Keeley1472 , would you like to tell us what you found convincing about this? What points convinced you?

And fill us in on the background of the person who wrote it, please. Why is this person a reliable person to 'debunk' the article in your mind?