To think that 'gender affirming care" is barbaric and should be banned?

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This article is from the US but these procedures have been carried out in the UK. Teenagers who are confused and vulnerable do not have the mental capacity to consent to puberty blockers, cross sex hormones or life altering surgery.

Please read this devastating article from a whistleblower who has been working in a gender clinic in the US.

www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids

It's not about persuading people to be 'normal'. It's about getting them to understand and accept their physical reality, to be who they want, and dress how they want, but not damage their healthy bodies in pursuit of this.

yes, I’ve read it many times.

Absolutely so

That you posted this shows that really have a deep prejudice about what others are saying. You keep framing words to be the worst, bad faith interpretation.

The authors of the ‘Dutch Protocol’ were very specific that extensive exploratory therapy was done before transition. Are you saying those clinicians were wrong?

Lead story in the Times today

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e04f4958-aa26-11ed-8a03-b2faadede0c5?shareToken=81bddfc85342137edc81797069ccd8cb

This is a scandal and those clinicians and politicians responsible should be in jail.

So you think we should section anyone who wants to have gender-affirming medical interventions?

I didn't say that. You did. But I think people do need to be supported to take care of themselves and be supported to make sure the decisions they make, that will impact the rest of their lives, are the right ones. There's no going back from extreme body modification.

Surprised anyone would think otherwise really. There's probably some weird fucked up reason for that.

Why should they have to “accept physical reality” when there are treatments available to help. Or do you say that to anyone asking for medical help/ treatment/ interventions ? Sorry, no help for you, how about some “therapy” to help you accept your physical reality.

Already answered that one. Read and digest it.

So you disagree with Dr Hilary Cass? Do you believe that social transitioning a child or a teen is a ‘neutral’ act?

If you disagree with her, why?

I didn’t say that- you said being trans and seeking interventions was comparable to anorexia. It isn’t. we section people for anorexia (to prevent them dying), but realise it would be completely wrong to do that to a trans person seeking gender affirming treatment. They aren’t remotely the same, and you apparently understand that too.

I think it becomes quite clear that some people who are heavily invested in pushing for affirming only treatments use the tactic of using polarised cognitive distortions and misrepresentations in discussion to support their argument. Without the emotional manipulation, the science and the evidence doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

They are similar. As I've already said. I'm not here to debate the indefensible with you.

Yes, I disagree with her. Denying people medical care, and forcing them to live in their natal gender role is no more or less neutral than the alternative.

They aren’t remotely similar .
what are you here for then?

She is saying, as I did quite clearly on the other thread, that there is a significant issue at the moment with the number of young female children and teens who are seeking to transition.

That you continue to ignore that and you continue to ignore the significantly negative health impacts on that cohort is very clear.

what are you here for then?

Sensible and rational conversation with people who have critical thinking skills.

I'm not getting that experience from you.

Hope this helps.

And it is remarkable that you don’t seem to be able to consider that there are clinicians such as Dr Anderson and Dr Bowers, Dr Steensma and now Dr Cass all have flagged issues with affirming only treatment, yet you continue to deny the issues faced by young female patients seeking to transition.

What do you think those four clinicians have to achieve raising flags? Two of them are transitioned males themselves and Dr Steensma has their reputation built on the Dutch Protocol and Dr Cass is a specialist in children’s health who is responsible for ensuring children and teens get the best health care.

Why do you seek to constantly discredit their comments that you don’t agree with?

Thank you for the link, OP.

It’s child abuse. What @RichardBarrister has just posted re the double mastectomy carried out on a teenage girl - horrifying. Child abuse.

“Natal gender role” - what are you talking about? What is this? Please can you explain?

How about we entirely reformulate the NHS. No medical services of any kind except mental health support, particularly “open exploratory therapy” to help everyone better “accept their physical realities”. 😆

Natal gender role 🤦‍♀️

The switching of language.

People can live as they want. 'Perform' their lives in whatever way they choose. No one cares. They'll always remain the same sex though. Thats a biological fact.

particularly “open exploratory therapy” to help everyone better “accept their physical realities”. 😆

Yes we should. Why would that be a bad thing?

Because fortunately the NHS doesn’t exist to cater to everyone’s passing whim and doesn’t operate on the basis of handing out every “intervention” that potential patients may demand.

No one should need surgery or hormones to live as themselves

They are not born disabled in their body , thier bodies are not failing in any way

What's wrong is that they think you need to look a certain way to live as yourself

Women know that society doesn't always grant us that right , but altering ourselves to try and stop bad people doing and thinking wrong things is bizarre self - victim blaming

Don't give gender the power over you - be free to be yourself

Your whole true authentic unharmed natural self

I think @Tandora is having a laugh 😂