to think that 30p Lee is a scumbag

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Listen to his interview with BBC radio Nottingham. The man is a liar and aggressive when challenged. How on earth was he elected in the first place. He goes on that attack when questioned about uncomfortable facts. Still says that no one on £30000 should need a food bank. Has he heard how much housing costs are, how much food and fuel prices have risen?
Sorry, cant create a link to the interview but its on the BBC news page this morning.

The Red Wall just wanted Brexit, Labour lost seats because they fell into the trap and the Brexit Party backed the Tories into a corner to push for a harder Brexit.

Now Brexit is done (although for ever more every Brexiter will moan it wasn't the Brexit they wanted) the Tories have absolutely no use for these places. Not that Labour will be much better but still.

Well, the Red Wall got mugged off by an old Etonian with a flash line. Since the Tories are 29 points behind in the polls, there seems a bit of a wake up.

4thonthe4th You are misunderstanding my comment.

(1) I am using the salary that this guy suggested that people could live on. That is not our own household income, I was merely suggesting that, from our point of view, we would need to use a food bank if that was our household income.

(2) When we had our two children, our household income was pushing £100,000 a year. Not unreasonable for us to have two children on that salary. We chose to have them a year apart to make the best use of my very generous maternity benefits from my FTSE 100 (as it was then) employer.

(3) What we didn't know until our children were preschoolers that they are both have several disabilities meaning that I am now limited to working part time from home due to their needs. There is no state school in our entire county that can meet their needs. Therefore, I have one child out of school full time and one at home part time. Yet I still manage to work from home for 23 hours a week (minimum wage) while meeting the rather large demands that my childrens' disabilities have. I'm utterly exhausted but needs must. My DH has also had to cut back on his very stressful career due to our children's needs. Therefore, our income has dropped considerably.

(4) A 3 bed in our area (where we have a family support network for respite), it costs £2000/month to rent a 3 bed and approx £700k+ to buy. Can't afford that on the salary we have now. That couldn't have been predicted pre children given that we both had professional careers earning good money.

@4thonthe4th ...and I'm not blaming the government. What I'm saying is that these MPs are very out of touch at the struggles so many people go through.

There are many ignorant people out there making judgements about people's situations assuming that those struggling are:
(1) Benefit 'scroungers' (2) Don't work or don't work hard enough (3) Are plain lazy.

Doesn't surprise me.

Braverman is my MP. Her Fb is full of the far right people slating her for not being far right enough and that they're going to reform.

Plenty of people out there who will support these ideologies.

Braverman is my MP

Commiserations.

They don't consider the realities.

Some people on 30k will need food banks.

Some on less won't (like me).

I earn 29k FTE but take home 21k on the hours I work.

My rent and council tax are 7.5k a year.

Then get £160 pm carers for ds and he gets his PIP which pays for extra curricular for him.

Without his Pip he wouldn't do what he does. But we'd still be able to afford food and bills.

If I rented privately I'd be looking at 12-13k a year just on rent. Life would be different.

The issue for me that he thinks people shouldn't need food banks - but they do. And instead of listening to what people are saying and talking to unions they are blaming Joe Public for their failings and ignoring how we've become a country where wages and Cof L are in conflict.

He likely doesn't care. The man is careful enough when he can think ahead.

Frankly anybody who voted for politicians like this, who is now per PPs "waking up" to the fact their areas will lose generous subsidies from the EU as a result of Brexit and that these politicians and their Brexit and idiocy obviously were going to make their lives substantially worse (rather than not make them better) is so incomprehensibly stupid that I have little sympathy for them. Are we meant to congratulate them for recognising what was blindingly obvious to everyone else years ago? 🤣

I do however, have much sympathy for those who live in constituencies where they have imbeciles for MPs and did not vote for them. I have one of those. She is so far beyond stupid it must be no more than a spec on her horizon even with a telescope.

@TheLostGiraffe · Yesterday 13:06
ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · Yesterday 12:21
The person who committed the crimes decides by their own hand
I don't think you understood the question.
Who decides which crimes the death penalty will or won't apply to?
What is the evidence threshold for proof of guilt given the jury trials are fundamentally flawed and the police have proved themselves to be both incompetent and corrupt?

Of course I understood the question ! I answered it. It is you who chooses not to understand my answer I think ?

Moving on a little... the animal who put baby 'P' to death.. can never be integrated back into society. He would be better off dead and the enormous amount of money spent housing and feeding him could be put to better use.

I never used to think like this but I do now

Sorry that was directed at @TheLostGiraffe · Yesterday 13:06
ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · Yesterday 12:21

Moving on a little... the animal who put baby 'P' to death.. can never be integrated back into society. He would be better off dead and the enormous amount of money spent housing and feeding him could be put to better use.

But what is to be gained from the state murdering him? In terms of cost, its more expensive to operate the death penalty than it is to impose life in prison. Studies consistently find that by the time you add up costs associated with it, it costs significantly more. Costs include the legal process, the level of evidence gathering and expert required, the appeals process, prison accomodation and specialist staffing for condemned prisoners, as well as the costs associated with the means for the execution itself both setting it up, long term maintenance, and short term preparation and operation (e.g., hanging apparatus, lethal injection, etc).

So, again, what benefit is there to executing prisoners like this?

Moving on a little... the animal who put baby 'P' to death.. can never be integrated back into society. He would be better off dead and the enormous amount of money spent housing and feeding him could be put to better use.

I commented as I did because your response to the PP didn't answer the question they put to you. I rephrased those questions and asked you again and your response ^^ still doesn't answer them. While I agree in the extreme cases like that, the issue is where the lines and thresholds for type of crime/ weight of proof are drawn. And I don't think you have been able to answer that.

Lee Anderson is causing damage to the Tory Party so I think he should stay put 😉

In regards to bringing back the death penalty particularly for serial killers and child murderers, i think there are so many problems with this. We would return to a vengeance based system. Those that claim it acts as a deterrent are completely wrong.

Years ago I watched Fourteen Days in May and it was devastating to watch an innocent man stuck in prison awaiting the death penalty. Even if he’d been guilty, it would make people stop and think about why you’d want such a system in place.

Of course I understood the question ! I answered it. It is you who chooses not to understand my answer I think ?
No, you didn't answer the question. Probably because you can't. You just want your turn knitting by the guillotine.

It's the mid 90s on repeat. He is like a 30p version of Ann Widdecombe shudder.

As an Ashfield constituent, I assure you that a huge amount of people locally find Anderson abhorrent. He used to be a Labour Councillor who ran the former Labour MP for Ashfield's campaign office. He had to leave the Labour Party because of a racist incident involving the travelling community. His wife did have a lung transplant and when she was going through that journey, they were both very vocal about how the tories had run down the NHS and they couldn't get the support they needed. She is also now a local tory Councillor.

Most people I speak to who voted for him in 2019, did so because of Brexit/Corbyn. They had no idea about his extremist views and almost across the board (in the people I speak with, anyway) they will never vote for him again. He is an absolute embarrassment.
Most of the people who support him on social media are not from Ashfield. He's blocked most of us. They all end their comments with "I wish you were my MP"

He absolutely is a scumbag. He door-knocked me in the lead up to his election, recognised me from Facebook as someone who questioned him, and then in person, told me to "fuck off" because he assumed I was "a lefty"

Can't wait for him to lose his seat.

It actually costs Americans more to execute them than it does to jail them for life.

They cannot be kept in the general prison population because the nature of their sentence means that they are a threat to other prisoners and staff. If they murder a prisoner/guard then how do you punish them? Sentence them to death again? So they have to be kept in expensive special units with a high number of staff.

They will appeal and appeal and appeal again when normal murderers will give it up after one or two goes. This costs taxpayers money again and again.

California reintroduced the death penalty and it has cost them $4 billion to sentence 80 people to death. Very few have actually been executed but they spent enough money to keep all of them in prison for 300 years.

The reintroduction has had no appreciable effect on the murder rate.