to think that 30p Lee is a scumbag

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Listen to his interview with BBC radio Nottingham. The man is a liar and aggressive when challenged. How on earth was he elected in the first place. He goes on that attack when questioned about uncomfortable facts. Still says that no one on £30000 should need a food bank. Has he heard how much housing costs are, how much food and fuel prices have risen?
Sorry, cant create a link to the interview but its on the BBC news page this morning.

For me it's even simpler - killing is wrong, and it doesn't become morally OK because the State is doing it.

The death penalty is state sanctioned murder, its all about vengeance not justice. Even with DNA testing there is jlno way to have 100% proof because mistake happen, corruption happens, the system is fallible. Look at the situation with the police force right now and the level of rot within its ranks - would you trust them?

Crime rates are not lower in countries with the death penalty, if anything crime rates tend to be higher because criminals decide they may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. It is not a deterrent.

It is also discriminatory. White criminals, particularly those from more affluent backgrounds, are more likely to receive a life sentence than the death penalty and where the death penalty is applied they are more likely to have it removed on appeal. If you are black, especially from a less affluent background and particularlyif your victim was white, then you are more likely to have the death penalty carried out. Since 2002 in America there have been 12 white people executed vs 178 black people.

The death penalty has no place in a civilised society.

My worry is that they used Rent-a-Dickhead Anderson to float ideas. Let him run his mouth off, spew a load of shit, and see what sticks to find out how much people will tolerate and what single issue topic can the Tories push that they know Labour will oppose. I wouldn't be shocked if he was being lined up as the next populist "he's just saying what we're all thinking!" candidate to replace Limp-Blanket-Rishi when the party finally knifes him in the back. There will be people out there who love Anderson for the same reasons they loved Bojo and I despair of the government for giving far right views such a foothold. If all of this was happening somewhere abroad in some hard to pronounce country the government would be eyeing the situation and talking about their worrying swing toward fascism, making platitudes at the start of PMQs about asking their Right Honourable Friend to send our well wishes to that country and our hopes for a return to open and fair democracy.

Fair enough. I am fully aware it will never happen but right at this moment in time this is how I feel.

@Neededanewuserhandle
I know it is wrong. However the state would not be just putting anyone to death. It would be someone who should be removed permanently from society.

Decided by whom?

In absolute fairness to Anderson, I have discovered a redeeming feature. It seems his wife has cystic fibrosis and has had a double lung transplant. He seems to be very visible in promoting charitable fundraising around the cause.

I think someone committing the kind of crime you describe gets a much worse sentence than being put to death. Even hardened criminals detest child killers, a long prison sentence would mean their life being made a misery every single day. I bet they’d end up wishing they were dead.

@DogInATent
Decided by the nature of their heinous crime

@Blossomtoes

You are right of course but it does not stop the subject from being discussed when the next one comes along and murders a child. You know the stories.. mother moves new boyfriend in who thinks it is funny to stub cigarettes out on a baby's body, kick him round a room like a football and starve him. Mother actually joins in........ So we then fund the rest of their sorry lives while they languish in prison.
Makes you really think doesn't it? Remember baby P?

But who gets to decide which crimes are heinous enough to warrant the death penalty?

• you?
• politicians?
• the tabloids?
• lynch mobs?

The person who committed the crimes decides by their own hand

show people the murder is wrong by murdering them.

No thanks.

A waste of time. Anderson is just there to try and appeal to the Red Wall. Gathering by the by election yesterday, the Red Wall don't give an eff about the Tories and their dog whistle Chairman. They see their Tory MPs have delivered nothing for their communities.

Two people working but the same household income pay far less in tax due to the unfairness of the tax system, which is very deliberately designed to ensure single parents (almost all women) pay more tax on the same household income.

I don't think you understood the question.

Who decides which crimes the death penalty will or won't apply to?

What is the evidence threshold for proof of guilt given the jury trials are fundamentally flawed and the police have proved themselves to be both incompetent and corrupt?

Yes I have followed them for many years before they became big. When I was young and lost my job it helped a lot.

Did you know they changed the way the ONS calculated food inflation? Basically they reminded people that budget lines have shot up far faster than anything else and where it was bad before when they were a single mum, people cannot be expected to live these days even doing the right thing. If you go on their website you’ll see the before price and the now price but you won’t do that will you?

What have you done for the poor? Where is your anti-poverty campaigning? Where are your food bank cook books? When were you on telly telling politicians they need to help those on the bread line?

As if not believing she was ever a single mum why don’t you pack the tin foil hat away and use it for behind your radiator?

If you have any evidence I would be open to it. If I have been lied to I would like to know.

I must admit I have followed Jack for years on Twitter before their popularity exploded and all the criticism so far is wildly out of context and a bit stupid. Like Daily Mail level stupid.

At what point in the process of murdering a criminal does their victim get resurrected?

The comments about Jack Monroe here look libelous.

Fair enough you don't like her, but some of the things she's been accused of here actual crimes. Perhaps that poster might want to think about what they have said, because factually, it's a problem

I agree.

You're free to not like someone and say you don't like them but if you're making allegations of criminality then you need to be able to back that up.

I hear you. But when you bring back the death penalty you will have Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans all over again.

There’s this too:

Tory MP Lee Anderson linked to 'far-right veteran' with white supremacist tattoo

www.thenational.scot/news/23311580.lee-anderson-linked-far-right-man-white-supremacist-tattoo/?ref=wa

He's desparately trying to appeal to every 'hang 'em flog em, foreigners caused our issues, rule Britannia' idiot out there. The Tory's know that Brexit bounce is non existent, and they need to retain the votes of the Mail and Express readers so let's get on to the death penalty !!!

I feel very sorry for all right headed intelligent people who end up being represented by total fuckwits of whatever party!!

I couldn't agree more it's so true and sooo frustrating.

I completely agree.

There need to be reforms made so that the government better represents the people it serves, you're never going to be able to represent everyone but many MPs are so out of touch that they're representing no one.

I think as a minimum there should be a requirement that you can't stand in a constituency unless you've lived and worked in it for a minimum number of years, say five, so that you at least have a basic understanding of the communities you're working for. I also think cabinet ministers should have to have experience of the relevant sector before being given departments to run, so a health secretary should have experience in the healthcare field, and so on.