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Would this be seen as neglect if they weren’t wealthy?

157 replies

Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo · 08/02/2023 20:09

I know a wealthy family, the Dd is 10 and hasn’t been to school since the start of October due to anxiety and feeling unwell (comes from the anxiety I believe)
They have only recently recruited a tutor for homeschooling, she’s missed months of schooling and did nothing at home.
Parents fly to another country each week for business (take it in turns, both go each time for a couple of days)
No real organisation/schedule in the house, no proper food shops, mainly expensive restaurants or takeaways. Dd hasn’t ever baked (sounds silly but surprised me) isn’t allowed to watch tv without parents etc. Dd has many issues around illness and eating and other things, highly sensitive child, she rarely goes out and has one friend she sometimes sees.
I see this as pretty unhealthy and worry about her and the situation, should I or am I just being nosey and out of order?

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Iwanttoliveonamountain · 08/02/2023 21:59

I would ring social services and let them decide.

agentleandeffectivecleaneverytime · 08/02/2023 22:01

@Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo You are judging, massively, on the grounds that this family is rich, which clearly offends you. You are also sounding ridiculously smug. I was a SAHM for 20 years and did endless crafts, painting, messy play etc because I liked doing that stuff. We didn't bake at all, because M&S bake so that I don't have to.

As with all workplaces, if you don't like it, then leave.

Lozzybear · 08/02/2023 22:03

@Chickenly I don’t think there is anything wrong with not having a TV. As I said up the thread, I had a friend growing up who didn’t have a TV and she grew up perfectly well adjusted. My DCs barely watch TV anyway. They are not interested in it.

Lentilweaver · 08/02/2023 22:04

A lot of kids are anxious now. And how do you know the parents aren't doing what they have been told to do? Perhaps not overload their daughter with activities or friends and allow her to set her own timetable?

Osiansmummy1 · 08/02/2023 22:05

I think if she has been so ill with anxiety it maybe school based anxiety it would be difficult to teach her or for her to learn at all. They seem to have not been chased for attendance so it must have been medically authorised. They are now getting a tutor so she must be getting better. We can never know what's really going on looking in from the outside.

JackieDaws · 08/02/2023 22:05

I think I'd be angry if my cleaner was posting about my child on here and trying to get other people to judge.

kittensinthekitchen · 08/02/2023 22:09

FailingAtStrife · 08/02/2023 20:52

@Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo I don’t think you can ever know the full extent of the situation even if you work with the family.

I am from a working class background and my DS has been out of school for a year due to severe anxiety co morbid with autism. You would not be aware of the fight I have to put up to get him any education at all. It’s exhausting and humiliating to have to beg for what your child is legally entitled to.

My DS spends most of his time at home or running errands with me; his anxiety became so bad, he could not learn at home either. We are taking a break from formal education whilst we await a nurture school placement for him. His anxiety triggers have reduced so much since.

Please don’t judge the family. They are likely trying their best in an extremely difficult situation. You can never truly understand the hell having to deal with a situation where a child is unable to attend school, until you are in the thick of it yourself.

Flowers

Similar situation but my dc has been out of education for over two years now. We have only recently started a nurture placement which is scheduled for one lesson per week.

It's hard going, you need to fight for scraps, and judgement from other people who don't know the full extend of the issues makes things even harder.

SplunkPostGres · 08/02/2023 22:18

Another one who wants to point out that this is the reality for loads of children with SEN. I’ve been begging the LA, Director for Education, SS etc for a school placement for DS. Zero concern or urgency. DS has also been out of school since October, I definitely never bake, limit screen time and he’s isolated as I’m a lone parent trying to WFH. No one is going to be concerned by your scenario.

watchfulwishes · 08/02/2023 22:21

Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo · 08/02/2023 20:41

I’m not judging at all or saying neglect really, I just know that they would be judged if it was a lower income family.
I just feel for her, but yes, it isn’t for me to do anything about

You are judging and you asked if would be classed as neglect if they were less wealthy.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 08/02/2023 22:22

A lower income family would not be judged as being neglectful however they may have support from the local authority but I highly doubt they’d be suspected on anything close to neglect.

MissMaple82 · 08/02/2023 22:24

Nosy. It wouldn't be classed as neglect, questionable parenting in some areas maybe. Mind your own though

watchfulwishes · 08/02/2023 22:25

This does not constitute neglect imo.

The child is fed/clothed/provided for and parents are in attendance. The child is now getting teaching and presumably medical support if/as needed.

Is it an ideal childhood? No, clearly not due to mental health issues meaning they are not in school. But that doesn't make it neglect of the type that warrants state intervention.

MissMaple82 · 08/02/2023 22:33

The school will have also already highlighted any concerns or interventions needed, it's not your place to be concerned by what you THINK you know about this child

MissMaple82 · 08/02/2023 22:36

Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo · 08/02/2023 21:08

@beautifulpaintings I'm not obsessing, I know her well as she’s under my care a lot of the time. I’m at their house almost daily

So there is help in place? Make your mind up

AaaaaandBreathe · 08/02/2023 23:01

CowSnail · 08/02/2023 21:53

Yes. Anyone with any common sense would say to stop wasting social services’ time with ridiculous and spurious accusations even if the parents were on benefits. OP has admitted that she doesn’t even have a damn clue what’s going on.

Having high levels of anxiety is not a sign that the parents are doing something wrong. OP has no idea what support the parents are getting for her or have tried desperately to get for her. They’ve bloody hired OP so clearly they’re trying to do something.

The parents going away for work isn’t a sign of neglect either. Do you think children of military families should all be reported to social services? What about single parent families?

Feel free to tell all the parents on here who have said their child has debilitating anxiety that the reason is because they, as parents, have failed to meet their needs though. That doesn’t make you sound ignorant at all.

I have a child with high anxiety. My point was what I assume the OP was making, if they were deemed a 'lower' class, SS would already be involved. You are speaking rationally but people judge depending on where you are on the class scale, there wouldn't be the same rationale given. But either way, if you are concerned about a child I wouldn't ignore your gut feeling. Chance that you are wrong but better than being right and not doing anything.

wherearetheturtles · 08/02/2023 23:05

Xol · 08/02/2023 20:54

Sadly, there are children all over the country who are too anxious to cope with school. Despite the fact that local authorities have a statutory right to provide full time education for them, you can bet the vast majority of those children will get minimal if any teaching unless their parents are resourceful and knowledgeable enough to enforce their rights.

That statutory duty applies to every child, including the children of wealthy parents. So if this child has not been educated, it's the LA which should be accused of neglect, not her parents.

I echo this 100%

My child has been out of school for a similar length of time due to anxiety and SEN. He also can't access any extra curricular clubs etc for same reason.

We have communicated with school, LA, tried all avenues but still too mentally unwell to attend.

Been seeing CAMHS for many months and no further forward.

If I had a friend that I had trusted to divulge this info to and then they started insinuating that I was neglectful, I would absolutely rip them to shreds.

liveforsummer · 09/02/2023 07:27

Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo · 08/02/2023 20:39

@mumyes This is it.

I’m sure if it was a lower class family and she hadn’t been in school for months and had no friends or activities/hobbies/classes outside the home and hadn’t ever done the more traditional things growing up at home-baking, crafts etc people may talk. Parents coming and going.
She just seems lonely I suppose and it’s sad to see someone like that at that age

All these things bar the baking and crafts could be/are likely to be a result of her severe anxiety. (and I don't bake with my dc either so can't get upset about that)

liveforsummer · 09/02/2023 07:29

Thesesoundsfallintomymindwoowoo · 08/02/2023 20:43

@mrsbitaly It’s true and I’m really not judging, or trying not to, I just feel for her, it’s a shame she doesn’t do activities or have friends over/visits them. She doesn’t really seem to do anything

Again she likely does not want to do any of these things and found make her worse if parents attempted to push this on her

Companyofwolves · 09/02/2023 07:42

In what capacity do you work with her & for her to be in your care OP?

It sounds like not a professional one otherwise you would have policies/safeguarding guidelines to follow.

It must be a difficult position to be in then hence your post.

Can you build more of a relationship with her & find out if it’s the anxiety stopping her getting out? If she starts to trust you could you suggest to a parent that she go with you to the local shop (if there is one) or the park or a walk for a short break from being at home & help her to get out?

Does she suffer panic attacks & what contact do you have with the tutor? They may be better placed to make any further recommendations to the parents - as in helping her social education /anxiety management.

Difficult.

XelaM · 09/02/2023 07:42

I'm shocked at all the horrible responses OP is getting. When there is a child neglect case on the news there are always people who were around that child who could have raised the alarm but didn't. But when someone raises concerns they are told to "keep their beak out of it". I think the situation OP is describing is odd and sad for the child.

ExistenceOptional · 09/02/2023 10:04

People do not care about child neglect when the children have wealthy parents. They just don't. Always all the excuses.

XelaM · 09/02/2023 11:13

ExistenceOptional · 09/02/2023 10:04

People do not care about child neglect when the children have wealthy parents. They just don't. Always all the excuses.

Seems like it. Plenty of wealthy families neglect/abuse their kids.

The Menedez brothers case is just one (high profile) case that comes to mind.

CrazyCorgi · 09/02/2023 11:22

You probably don’t know the whole story. DS’s friend had severe agoraphobia and never left the house. DS and his mates only knew him because his brother went to their school and said that he liked playing x-box so this boy joined in. If you didn’t know the full story you might assume he was being kept in by his parents but the truth was he just refused to leave the house as he was terrified.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 09/02/2023 12:04

If you happen to be the tutor you can do baking and craft with her. Cooking and art is still both done at school I believe.

ExistenceOptional · 09/02/2023 12:22

@sweeneytoddsrazor The tutor is being paid to do certain work. You can't just decide to do cooking instead as a tutor. Can you imagine the response if a parent posted here saying a tutor had been hired to teach maths and english and was instead doing baking and craft activities with the child?

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