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Sick of my grandmother and all her money

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TetherEndOfMy · 08/02/2023 08:42

Went to see my grandmother last night. She's in her mid 80s and constantly talks about how much money she has. I am a lone parent struggling to pay my bills and childcare. Every time I see her she asks 'how are you coping with paying bills?' and talks about how awful the cost of living crisis is for people like me. I never raise the topic of money. Last night she then continued on to talk about the two houses she needs to sell which will hopefully see £600k into her savings, and was talking about 200k she had 'lying around' and needed to put into some kind of investment. She then went on to ask me about which charities I 'recommend' she donates to when she dies as she wants to give most of her money away. Today I have phoned to tell her I'm busy and can't drop her shopping round as I feel like she is taunting me. I DO NOT expect her to give me money, I just hate the way she is so tone deaf. She's completely switched on at 84 years old and seems to think I'm some poor hopeless person. Anyway. I just needed to get that off my chest as I am facing having a pre payment meter fitted and am struggling not to cry into my Cereal.

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Heartsandbirds · 08/02/2023 10:52

My grandfather once reported my mother to social services (in the 90s) because she couldn’t afford to put the heating on. They were wealthy and lived in a house heated like Kew Gardens. He just took pleasure in the power it gave him. You wonder what goes on in some people’s heads.

Andanotherone01 · 08/02/2023 10:53

“Hi gran. You know all that shit you keep asking me to do, like pick up your shopping/clean for you/take you to appointments? Well, I can’t do them anymore because I need to work extra hours to put food on the table. Maybe you could take come off your wealth and hire some other poor schmuck to do it for you. Or failing that, stick it up your arse because I don’t want to hear about your vast wealth anymore.” Puts phone down.

Sandra1984 · 08/02/2023 10:55

Dogcafedreamer · 08/02/2023 09:21

What an unkind woman, she is not even going to give you money when she is gone, she would rather donate to charity?

Well charity begins at home, do not help her any more, tell he that you've not got time as time is money.

I agree with this, charity starts with your loved ones. Telling a loved one who came to take care of you or do your shopping that you're giving all your money to charity and that she should be grateful for working free for her is incredibly narcissistic. What a truly horrible person, unless she has dementia of course, and if that's the case she shouldn't be living alone but in cared facility and paying for it with all her saved millions.

Crazycrazylady · 08/02/2023 10:55

Honestly I'd tell her it's classless to keep talking about money like she does. Ask her not to.

OopsAnotherOne · 08/02/2023 10:56

This would get my back up OP. If she believes that everyone should work for every penny they have and if someone's struggling it's because they're not working hard enough, alongside the fact she likes to rub her wealth in your face, I'd tell her that as much as you love spending time with her you can't do so any more. The cost of living crisis she knows so much about is meaning you're struggling more and more to pay your bills and as she's always told you that no one should ever be helped with money, you're taking her advice and getting another job. You'll no longer have time to attend to her, help her with shopping, take her places etc.

You don't have to get a second job of course, just spend the time relaxing, focusing on you. It's just a fantastic excuse as to why you no longer have to spend time with a lady who seems to get some weird thrill over explaining how well off she is to someone who hasn't got as much money as her in the bank. Either she'll understand, after all your suggestion follows her ethos, and leave you to it or she might be upset and annoyed that you can no longer see her and suggest giving you some of her money to take the strain off your bills (the same bills she always asks you about). Either way, the cards are then in your hands to have as much or as little contact with her to keep your mental health from being impacted by her vile bragging.

Gymnopedie · 08/02/2023 10:56

She believes people should earn their money and not ask for 'handouts'.

Does she expect that you will do her shopping and running around for her? Because if she does, that's just as much a handout given to her as if she gave you money. Ironically, the time you spend doing things for her is time you are effectively working for her but not getting paid for it. So she has to be consistent.

Whether you are doing it for that reason or because you feel you should because she's your grandmother, step back. She can afford to pay people to do those jobs, as she's made very clear. So let her give some one else the chance to 'earn their money' as she is so keen for people to do.

Appleabananasandpears · 08/02/2023 10:56

I love that you don’t feel entitled to the money OP. So many people have this sense of entitlement that makes me very queasy tbh. A couple of suggestions. Grandma could value her worth by her money and just be very tone deaf about it. Can’t stand when people are like this, reminds me of when a friend was seeking advice on how to spread his money across different banks to still get govt protection (each bank protects you up to £85,000). Grandma could just be mean spirited in which case don’t feel guilty about keeping your distance. Or grandma could like others have said be in early stages of dementia. If the latter, have you noticed any other changes?

PollyAmour · 08/02/2023 10:59

My MIL was like this, constantly going on about the thousands and thousands of pounds she had in the bank, and how much we'd all get when she died. It was like she was bribing us to like her. She didn't ever offer to pay her way on holidays or days out, she would regift presents rather than buying anything new or wanted/needed and was quite mean spirited and miserly. She said we'd get our repayment when she passed away. She inherited all of her wealth, none of it was through hard work.

Sadly, she suffered catastrophic ill-health and spent the last 3 years of her life in a nursing home, receiving round the clock care. Her thousands and thousands of pounds were completely absorbed by the fees. None of us begrudged it, because she needed the care we couldn't provide. She lost all cognitive ability and never knew our promised inheritance never came to fruition.

I would be concerned the same may happen to your grandmother. Huge amounts of wealth don't go very far when nursing home fees have to be paid.

ButterflyOil · 08/02/2023 11:00

If she doesn’t believe family should help out why is she getting unpaid help from you work shopping? She can’t have it both ways!

Tlittle · 08/02/2023 11:02

I'd go lc. She can pay for help.
My mum was like that. I was struggling but wouldn't ask for anything and she didn't offer and she got a major Inheritance. Blew it all in the pub. Now pleads poverty lol.x

emptythelitterbox · 08/02/2023 11:05

She's just terrible. Has more money than she knows what to do with but squeaky tight with you.

I like the idea of setting up a "charity" that goes to you and your DC.

Don't know what you do for work but would she be willing to pay for a degree that pays well(tech, finance, engineering) and childcare so you can do it without worry?
That would be evidence of you working for it.

deeperthanallroses · 08/02/2023 11:05

WinterFoxes · 08/02/2023 09:00

I would have one very honest conversation with her. Say you find it disgusting that she keeps talking about her money and the charities she'll give it to when she knows you are struggling. Say you have never asked for money but you find it deeply distasteful that a wealthy family member can watch a loved one with a young child live on the breadline and do nothing to help. You won't be bringing her shopping arond anymore as you think she should stand on her own two feet and pay a home help to service her as you need to work the extra hours you have been devoting to her, to earn a few more pounds, just as she expects you to.

This. This x 1000.
’you can carry on being judgey about people who can’t pay their bills but some of us have been using our precious time to shop for our grandma and I just can’t afford to do that now, I need to work more so I can eat and pay for heating. You will have to look for some aged care support.’

Yesthatismychildsigh · 08/02/2023 11:05

Step back. Why would you do anything for someone that clearly doesn’t care about you? You say she knows you’re struggling. At best she’s happy to watch you struggle and thoughtless because she’s not afraid of hurting you. At worst she’s actively mocking your situation. Tell her to shove the money.

Rinkydinkydoodle · 08/02/2023 11:06

Sounds like you’re in a bit of a crisis stage at the moment and under a huge amount of stress. I am
sorry this is happening to you. I wouldn’t leave my family to struggle in the situation you’re facing, I don’t know why anyone would.

What do you want to happen? Would you maybe feel better seeing a bit less of your gran while circumstances are as bad as they are? Have you got space in your own load to help carry someone who doesn’t really need your help? Is she likely to mend her ways if you say something outright?

If it’s any consolation I work with a lot of people with money and many of them seem to think like your gran. They believe money in the bank makes them morally or intellectually superior to people facing financial issues. They also often think being rich should give them control over less affluent family members. Sadly, that actually works for them in a lot of cases, at least superficially, when said family members are motivated into dancing to their tune by the prospect of getting a share of the money. Waving the wallet to feel loved as an OAP wouldn’t be for me, but I suppose on the flipside it keeps older people feeling ‘relevant’ and like they’re at the centre of things at a time when they might otherwise be marginalised because they’ve become a social dependent rather than a pivotal member. Doesn’t make them pleasant company though.

As you’ve said you know she’s not obligated to help (although I think there’s a moral argument she should be helping out but I know not everyone would agree) as you’re a working adult. I
imagine if she wasn’t bragging about her money you wouldn’t be thinking about it. Some people just like to have an effect on other people’s emotions and money is one way of doing it.

What is being discussed on this thread is a form of emotional abuse, truth be told. Imagine an unhappily childless woman being persistently asked to discuss whether or not her sister should have a fourth child. ‘I mean, babies are great aren’t they but is four babies just too much? Would you babysit so we can still go out dancing?’ People, including your gran I bet, would immediately see that as flagrant cruelty but for some reason they think it’s fine when it’s talking to a person facing hardship about money. Comes back to this idea people with money are better at life than people without and having accrued wealth is evidence of some moral
good. In fact, capitalism is a bit of a c*nt and the pursuit of wealth is a cursed thing.

It’s tough to have an ongoing relationship with someone who doesn’t have your best interests at heart. A lot of people on here are stringent about not doing that. That approach works if you feel better once you’ve stopped dealing with them but conscience is a powerful thing. Not every relationship is so easy to extricate yourself from.

If you feel you have to keep helping your gran, someone once gave me a piece of advice to protect myself from mind-games (it seems like that’s what your gran is doing. Ultimately the reasons why she is doing it matter less than the adverse effect it’s having on you). The advice was simply answer the question you’re asked. Ie. ‘I don’t know much about investment/large charity donations, Gran, I think that’s one to talk to a financial advisor/ solicitor about, you know, experts who are qualified to give that sort of advice.’ Repeat to infinity. They call it ‘robot ears.’

There’s a quiet sort of power to robot ears, because a)you’re disengaging your brain from this nonsense, and b) by pulling away verbally and intellectually it’s a reminder to you that you don’t need to play their game. It’s sad for them. People can only hurt you as long as you expect better from them. You’re already losing respect for Gran, and if she doesn’t watch out, your life-long affection might not be far behind. I doubt it’s worth losing her greatest asset, and your good opinion, for the sake of talking about pounds, but that’s the path she’s on.

Given the pressure you’re already under, maybe it’s time to consider whether it’s healthier that your gran should be as self-sufficient as she encourages others to be. It’s rough to let an older person get on with things, I know. Presumably you help her out ‘cos you love her. You’re a good person and it’s a pity that’s not currently being rewarded.

I can also see some value to saying something like ‘gran, I really love you and I’m glad you’ve done well and are having a comfortable old age, that’s great and it’s a weight off my mind. I don’t want to see you struggle with your daily arrangements and I want to help you. I don’t know if you know this but I’m not doing so well right now. Despite the fact I can’t work any harder than I am, at the moment I’m barely able to pay my bills. So though I am happy to be here for you as a helper, I’m just not the right person to come to for discussions about what to do with large sums of money.’

Boundaries aren’t a bad thing, sometimes we all need to set boundaries. 84 is late to learn about how to interact decently with other humans but it’s not impossible.

FlamingMadKatie · 08/02/2023 11:08

Leave her to sort her own shopping out. If she can’t find the kindness in her heart to make your life a little easier then why should you do that for her. It’s not about whether she should or shouldn’t share her wealth, it’s about showing she cares by easing your struggle. Which is exactly what you’re doing for her by running her errands. Just because someone has lived a long time it doesn’t mean we have to encourage their unkindness.

My elderly parent is similar and I now won’t do any more than really necessary.

Sugarfree23 · 08/02/2023 11:08

I think I'd start saying,
Oh it would be wonderful to be rich, remember Gran, Charity begins at Home!

Make comments about how fortunate she was to have 'a man at her back' assuming Grandad did hang around.

I'd also be very tempted to remind her tha their might not be much left if she needs to go into a care home.

Although It seems odd to me that she wants to give to charity rather than her own DC and DGC. That's an unusual stance.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/02/2023 11:09

She believes people should earn their money and not ask for 'handouts'

As long as people are capable of doing that I agree with her, but that doesn't mean taunting others with her money's acceptable and I'd shut it down straight away

Like a lot of seniors it may be that she's using her wealth as a carrot to keep you involved, but since you've been clear that you don't expect her to give you any that shouldn't work either

SparkleBrows · 08/02/2023 11:12

I'd tell her what you've said here. You don't expect her to give you anything, but you find hearing about her money difficult.

Or you could do what my DGM would have done and tell her talking about money is common 😆

SillySalmonX · 08/02/2023 11:12

Gran definitely sounds tone deaf but also as if she is seeking some nice words from you. Perhaps she wants to hear that you think she is a kind person for considering donating some of her money to charity.

If you generally talk about day to day things but don't have much of a loving/caring relationship, she may be (in her own strange way) trying to soften things up a bit between the two of you.

She may have regrets about not 'giving back' to the community over the course of her life, or perhaps she has done so and wants to talk about it and receive a bit of praise from you.

She may also fear that you are only doing things for her because you are hoping to inherit a good sum from her. She is looking for your reaction when she suggests that most of her money will go elsewhere.

You are showing you care about her by doing practical things for her but she probably senses that it's a burden and you may not actually be enjoying her company. That's hard for her. Try to warm her up a bit with your words. Gently steer the conversation to things you can both enjoy talking about together so that your reactions are genuine. Look for opportunities to praise her and tell her she is kind and generous.

You may find she reciprocates, and as things thaw between the two of you her tone deafness may improve.

If not, at least you will have tried to tackle the problem with kindness. I don't like the idea of confronting her directly about it or reducing the amount you do for her or see her.

wheretonow123 · 08/02/2023 11:13

I think that it would be pretty awful if she left most or all of her money to charities and did not give something decent to her granddaughter who is struggling and who also helps her out a lot.

Can you talk to your parents and ask one of them to chat to your granny and explain how things are so different and tougher for young people these days and talk her around to seeing that it is the correct thing to do to gift you some money or leave you some in her will.

BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 08/02/2023 11:13

She sounds like a sadistic hag tbqh

BlastedPimples · 08/02/2023 11:15

How did she get to be wealthy herself?

Sounds awful. You're struggling and she's discussing her personal finances with you. Gosh. So insensitive.

I would tell her you need time to get another job to pay for bills and that you're sorry but you can't visit as much anymore.

WildfirePonie · 08/02/2023 11:18

Drop the rope. Take a large step back.

She can pay for her care and groceries etc.

Time to care for yourself and your MH. Do not feel guilty. You should be angry inside!

Xiaoxiong · 08/02/2023 11:22

So many people use money and possible inheritance as a way to manipulate others and have done for centuries, your gran is no different. People even use their money to continue their control after they're dead! It's why in law we have a concept of the "dead hand" of the deceased controlling beneficiaries after death through putting conditions on inheritance.

5128gap · 08/02/2023 11:24

I bet she wasn't such a great believer in making your own way in the world when she herself benefitted from one or more of the following:
A husband's salary
Inherited wealth
Property value increases
Because there's very few in her financial position who don't owe it to that.
I think I'd be tempted to ask her advice on how she made all her money.