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WIBU to be annoyed in this cafe?

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Hoppinggreen · 06/02/2023 18:42

Went for lunch today at a local cafe. I was paying as a treat for my friend. Bill was about £30.
When I went to pay the person on the till made a mistake and over charged me by £10. It was actually a lot more complicated as she mixed up my bill with someone else then tried to add on someone’s takeaway but that was basically it.
After a lot of discussion between 2 staff members they said the only thing they could do was refund and charge me again. No problem I said.
So they did the refund and I said it hadn’t appeared back on my banking app to be told that I had to wait up to 10 days to get it. I was then expected to pay again.
I (calmly) said that I wasn’t happy about that as I would have paid £70 for a £30 lunch until the refund arrived. I was told there was no other alternative. I said again that I didn’t think this was reasonable. The staff member who made the mistake kept apologising and I said that it was a simple mistake and everyone made them so she really didn’t need to be upset about it. The other staff member said that I just needed to pay again and if I hadn’t received it in 10 days to call in.
There was a queue at this point so I said fine but I wasn’t happy about it. The staff member then told me that I had “upset” her colleague and was very short with me. I said again that I didn’t blame her for a simple mistake, it was the lack of resolution I was annoyed at. I did not raise my voice at any point and was very calm and measured. We left and I could hear the staff member telling her colleague she could come out now (she had vanished into the back as apparently she was too upset to deal with me) since I had gone. I left feeling as if I had done something wrong, honestly happy to be told I did
Was I unreasonable being annoyed at this? It won’t cause me any issue financially but I’m a bit miffed at being £40 out of pocket due to their mistake for up to 10 days. It might come earlier I know

OP posts:
unsureatthispoint · 07/02/2023 00:17

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:17

No, it’s really not because it’s not the business’ choice. This is what the banks dictate to ALL businesses.

What?

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:19

unsureatthispoint · 07/02/2023 00:17

Not allowed

Of course it’s allowed. Any business that refuses cash really is signing its own death warrant. And I’m not buying banks dictating a café’s accounting systems either.

PitYerTapOan · 07/02/2023 00:19

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:15

What do you do if someone pays in cash?

Send them for a quick 19 year re-education course in Novosibirsk.

Probably.

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:20

Patineur · 06/02/2023 23:59

The underlying arrogant attitude to customer service inherent here certainly does lead to business failure on a regular basis. People are pointing out all through this thread that they run businesses in such a way that they can either offer cash back or a card refund, so it is baffling that you seem to assume that it is utterly impossible. Of course ultimately there is nothing to stop a goodwill gesture consisting simply of cancelling the bill entirely.

Yeah, 30yrs ago for the same situation. And cash or card refund on your own purchase, as in processing a return is a completely different situation, which you obviously have failed to comprehend.

unsureatthispoint · 07/02/2023 00:22

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:19

Of course it’s allowed. Any business that refuses cash really is signing its own death warrant. And I’m not buying banks dictating a café’s accounting systems either.

I know, I said it sarcastically.

All those 'We are Cashless' places that exude smugness get on my nerves. I give them a big swerve

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:22

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:15

Information even a 12yo old would be aware of. I’m done with the faux innocence….but but the refund isn’t on my banking app bullshit. Everyone knows that payment systems take your money faster than they refund it.

Oh, now she was ‘pressured’ into accepting a full refund! Shock horror!

You really do have a very weird idea of what "everyone knows" about refund systems. Seriously, why on earth would anyone know unless they had actually had to ask for or receive a refund, which is hardly inevitable in anyone's lives?

The simple fact is that, if you set up in business and have any sense at all, you work on the basis that, if you make a mistake, it is not the customer who will suffer as a result. Because otherwise that business just won't last. The bankruptcy courts are full of the cases of traders who don't learn that basic lesson.

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:22

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:19

Of course it’s allowed. Any business that refuses cash really is signing its own death warrant. And I’m not buying banks dictating a café’s accounting systems either.

Nothing to buy, because no one’s said that banks dictate accounting systems.

Banks dictate the processing time of refund credits to their clients’ accounts.

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:22

unsureatthispoint · 07/02/2023 00:22

I know, I said it sarcastically.

All those 'We are Cashless' places that exude smugness get on my nerves. I give them a big swerve

Sorry, sometimes sarcasm is difficult to detect online. I apologise.

PitYerTapOan · 07/02/2023 00:23

A cOmpuTEr wiTh A soUl wIll kILL YOU

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:25

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:22

You really do have a very weird idea of what "everyone knows" about refund systems. Seriously, why on earth would anyone know unless they had actually had to ask for or receive a refund, which is hardly inevitable in anyone's lives?

The simple fact is that, if you set up in business and have any sense at all, you work on the basis that, if you make a mistake, it is not the customer who will suffer as a result. Because otherwise that business just won't last. The bankruptcy courts are full of the cases of traders who don't learn that basic lesson.

Well, I am sure there are hermits in caves that don’t know this, but they’d not really be having lunch in busy cafes.

OP hasn’t suffered. And as I said, this is universal so no business is going to fail because a refund on an erroneous transaction takes the OPs bank a few days to process the credit to her account. She’s better of switching banks if she is that put out, because the delays are bank specific, not business specific.

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:25

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:17

No, it’s really not because it’s not the business’ choice. This is what the banks dictate to ALL businesses.

The banks do not dictate accounting systems and business practice. In the final analysis, if you really can't find a way of returning an overcharge to a customer immediately, you cancel the debt and give them a freebie. Take it out of the idiot staff member's tips if necessary. If you can't afford to cancel £30, you really are in trouble.

MrsMikeDrop · 07/02/2023 00:26

namechangeforthisbleep · 06/02/2023 20:16

They must have a shit system if they can't give you the cash and then fix the error in the back office of the system

Probably is, I'm assuming this is a small local Cafe, family business type set up and fairly limited

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:26

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:22

Nothing to buy, because no one’s said that banks dictate accounting systems.

Banks dictate the processing time of refund credits to their clients’ accounts.

You said This is what the banks dictate to ALL businesses. 🤷‍♀️

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:27

Blossomtoes · 07/02/2023 00:26

You said This is what the banks dictate to ALL businesses. 🤷‍♀️

THIS referred back to “the delay”

MrsMikeDrop · 07/02/2023 00:27

Regularsizedrudy · 06/02/2023 20:03

Can’t believe people are sticking up for the cafe! The fact “refunds take time” is not the ops problem! They fucked up. If they couldn’t sort it there and then they should have let her have it for free. Why they hell should she be out of pocket?!

Blame the banks then not the Cafe. You seem pretty clueless if you think these things happen instantly.

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:27

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:20

Yeah, 30yrs ago for the same situation. And cash or card refund on your own purchase, as in processing a return is a completely different situation, which you obviously have failed to comprehend.

30 years ago? Processing returns? What on earth are you talking about?

Nicecow · 07/02/2023 00:29

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 06/02/2023 20:11

The problem is once they had processed the refund they couldn’t then give you cash as you would have been refunded twice. They made a mistake not explaining that it could take a while when you agreed to the refund and repayment. Once they had processed the refund they probably couldn’t have done much more. The staff member sounds a bit pathetic but she probably didn’t know what to do and how to deal with it and thought she would get in to trouble if you didn’t pay. The time to argue against the refund approach was before it was processed not after.

Yay, someone who actually knows what they're talking about!! 🫡

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:29

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:25

The banks do not dictate accounting systems and business practice. In the final analysis, if you really can't find a way of returning an overcharge to a customer immediately, you cancel the debt and give them a freebie. Take it out of the idiot staff member's tips if necessary. If you can't afford to cancel £30, you really are in trouble.

I didn’t say banks dictate accounting and business practices. I was referring to the specific delay of a refund being processed by the bank as a credit to the account.

PitYerTapOan · 07/02/2023 00:30

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:27

30 years ago? Processing returns? What on earth are you talking about?

I think Onnabugeisha is malfunctioning.

Longdarkteatimeofthesoul · 07/02/2023 00:31

This happened to me when buying a tv for my Mum. I was doing a split payment over 2 cards - me buying half and Mum buying half. Trainee decided instead of doing a split payment to charge double the amount of the tv. I didnt know she was a trainee otherwise I would have checked more closely and it seemed the store Supervisor got mad for me pointing out the error. It was for a lot more than the cost of a meal. Supervisor kept telling me that everyone makes mistakes - which is fine but if you have a trainee operating the POS system you need to actually keep an eye on them. There was no yelling or raised voices just calmly pointing out that mistakes of that magnitude actually impact on a person's ability to pay for bills for the rest of the week/fortnight! Nobody instore actually apologised either! Would have teeth pulled without anesthetic before shopping there again.

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:31

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:27

30 years ago? Processing returns? What on earth are you talking about?

I guess you did not even read the posts you are referencing that closely. Why am I not surprised? You’ve done it with my posts.

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:32

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:22

Nothing to buy, because no one’s said that banks dictate accounting systems.

Banks dictate the processing time of refund credits to their clients’ accounts.

So you're accepting that in fact the claimed inability to refund a mistaken overcharge isn't dictated by banks. Which brings us back to the fact that it's down to the relevant businesses to put in place sensible systems that allow them not to alienate their customers.

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:33

MrsMikeDrop · 07/02/2023 00:27

Blame the banks then not the Cafe. You seem pretty clueless if you think these things happen instantly.

Exactly right.

Onnabugeisha · 07/02/2023 00:33

Patineur · 07/02/2023 00:32

So you're accepting that in fact the claimed inability to refund a mistaken overcharge isn't dictated by banks. Which brings us back to the fact that it's down to the relevant businesses to put in place sensible systems that allow them not to alienate their customers.

They did refund it though. There was no inability. It also wasn’t an overcharge. You’re using all the wrong terminology.

journeyofinsanity · 07/02/2023 00:36

Why are people being so dense here. They overcharged the OP by £10. They just need to refund her £10. They don't need to refund her £40 then recharge her £30 putting it at £70 for the time being. That's nuts. They can figure out how to tally the bills later but will all even out as they have the right amount in the till. What sort of batshittery is this whole refund 40 pay another 30. Christ weeps.

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