To wonder how the strikes will end?

[Wingingit11]

This isn’t a thread about whether you agree with strikes as a concept or not (there have been soooo many) but to question how you think the strikes will end?! To me, the longer they go on, the less likely there is to be movement on either side ?

Her new employer will contribute towards that, so its win win & more win!

But it still doesn't help you or anyone else in the UK does it?

Alexandra2001
perhaps we need to focus on way their health system can afford higher wages,
do they pay higher tax, more private system, smaller population etc

Thebestwaytoscareatory,
I am not the one on strike, and I am a shareholder

I don’t think there’s any point arguing with @Unphased as this person is clearly a dick who will one day be really unwell and then discover that there is no one to make it better.
Even if people can afford private healthcare they seem to forget that when it comes to life and limb stuff the private sector isn’t interested or capable

DontStopMeNow7
I am sure they are not worried about the general public, they are not in the job for us

Doesitmatteranyway
no point in being nasty, because I have a different view from you,

What you moaning about other people's pensions for then? Maybe you should have invested better/more if you're still unhappy with your level of return.

No point blaming nurses and teachers for your financial ineptitude.

Thebestwaytoscareatory
i am happy with my pension, I am not the one on strike, perhaps they should realise that their in job benefits are very good compared to the private sector

Yes you do have a different view from me and it’s a nasty uncaring one and therefore you are a dick who is jealous of other people’s pensions - although why you are jealous of my nursing pension that I contribute 10% of my earnings into and can’t claim until I’m 67 years old I have no idea.
And the reason I stay in my role is because I care about people and want to care for them and their families when they are critically unwell and support my more junior colleagues who are all heroes as far as I’m concerned.
whereas you are a dick head

It’s not just that you have a nasty, uncaring opinion, it’s also one that doesn’t make sense: You repeatedly fail to address the gaps in your logic whilst continuing to repeat yourself. Therefore, since there is no logic to your reasoning, which you also refuse to address, it seems reasonable to assume you are what this person said.

😂

Im doing nothing wrong - they would have been part of a cohort who were able to access final salary pensions, which ended in 2015. Are they women or men? I’ve had two maternity leaves, and a period of part-time work. Also didn’t buy a house during the golden years like they did, and I didn’t come from a wealthy background, so I’m likely to have a mortgage until I’m well into my sixties. You can’t compare someone who is coming to the end of their career with people who are relatively early in their career. Not to mention the fact that teachers salary has reduced by £8.5k/year in real terms during my career so far, so I’ve had far less disposable income than they have.

If I retire at 57, my annual salary (in retirement) would be £12,179. If I retire at 68, my pension will be £25,811. I don’t consider that to be particularly generous for someone who is likely to work upwards of 50 hours a week for nearly 50 years, do you?

Why on EARTH would anyone be a nurse or in any caring or serving profession if they didn’t care about other people?

Oh wait, I forgot! We’re in it for the pension!! So selfish :-(

Since you think the public sector is a-okay, why don’t you choose to work there?
Your argument will be: no one should do it if they can’t stand the heat. Yet you have no alternative to a public sector without any staff - do you??

Private sector is a big place, are the benefits a teacher gets better than an amazon warehouse worker? Probably. Are they better than a similar skilled and experienced private sector worker? Probably not. I'm private sector, there's zero chance I'd jump ship into the public sector while the sitting government is actively trying to destroy it, even if they could exceed my current benefits.

Perhaps you should realise that 12 years of austerity has resulted in a real terms pay cut for many of those in the public sector plus an ever increasing workload for those left.

DontStopMeNow7
of course they’ve all entered the profession because they want to help people, most jobs help people in some way, shop workers, receptionist, call centre etc

GneissGuysFinishLast
what, you don’t call a pension of nearly £26,000 as good, people that work the same if not more hours than you would love a final pension like that, get real

So why do you say:

I am sure they are not worried about the general public, they are not in the job for us

?

Exactly - you can’t compare an unskilled worker in the private sector to someone who is educated to honours/masters level with a postgrad, followed by effectively a paid internship (probation period) - you need to compare them to a similarly skilled and educated worker.

GneissGuysFinishLast
that’s nearly a pension pot of £500,000, that’s amazing, avarge pension pot is £70,000, you’ve done very well in the public sector

I was referring to retiring at 57, which according to your case study of 1, we all do. It’s simply not possible. I can survive in £25k, I can’t live comfortably on £12k. And why shouldn’t I live comfortably?

Not to mention that life expectancy where I am is 77, and healthy life expectancy is 61.

If I work to 68 and live to my “expected” age, my pension payout will be in the region of £250k. The majority of that is likely to go straight to paying for care, since I’m likely to be living in poor health for the last 6 years of my working life, plus for my entire retirement.

Why don’t you consider switching over if the oh and pension is much better than what’s available in the private sector?

How in the fuck did you get that figure? I’ll be working to 68 and life expectancy is 78. Annual pension salary is £25k. 25k x 10 = £250k.

Im guessing you don’t work with figures.

Please give an example of a private sector pension pot from a person who works to save lives after gaining a bachelor’s degree plus continuing education.

You have also not addressed the gaps in your logic regarding how a pension is a good enough reason to put up with terrible, unsafe working conditions ?

You have also not addressed what your answer would be for fixing public services without the staff who are currently striking?

I suggest to you that you do not have any answers to these issues and therefore keep going on and on about pensions and ignoring basic logic.

GneissGuysFinishLast
you would need a pension pot in the real world of £500,000 to get an annuity of £26,000

Plenty of hospitality businesses have talked about the impact train strikes have had on them. Not everyone can work from home either. It's certainly cost the government money, it's cost more than giving the staff a rise would have done.

DontStopMeNow7
nobody has to stay in a job, they don’t like the terms and conditions, it’s not up to the existing staff to fix the public services, it’s up to the government, you can vote for them every 5 years, What do you think a different government will give the strikers everything they want?

I’m significantly more qualified than average. I work significantly more hours per week than average. I pay in a higher percentage of my wage than average. I’ve been paying in for my whole working life, which is something that many older people didn’t do.

Only 6.2% of people of working age are qualified to the minimum requirements to work as a teacher. So of course the people who work in these jobs should be better compensated, given their level of expertise.

www.thehealthyjournal.com/faq/what-percentage-of-uk-students-do-a-masters