To wonder how the strikes will end?

[Wingingit11]

This isn’t a thread about whether you agree with strikes as a concept or not (there have been soooo many) but to question how you think the strikes will end?! To me, the longer they go on, the less likely there is to be movement on either side ?

verdantverdure
it’s just not about the pay as you have said, the railway workers will not accept changes to existing terms and the silly idea that there can’t be any compulsory redundancies, no employer can agree to that,

An estimated 40,000 nurses resigned from the nhs between July 21 and June 22.

Nurses can actually earn a lot more outside of the nhs, with better working conditions as well. This includes, but is not limited to, working abroad.

DontStopMeNow7
Good for them, don’t know why many more don’t do it, instead of striking, not happy move on

DontStopMeNow7
I wonder how many of them, left took their full Pension, then go back on bank work, After 35 years you can leave on a full pension

You very fixated about the pension that they have paid into aren't you. Are you going to take any pension funds that you have paid into.

And I suspect like my SIL who is a nurse they aren't paying into a pension fund as they cannot afford it.

All this chat about pensions …

based on my age and postcode, there is only about 50% chance I’ll get 10 years to claim it before I die. And chances are I’ll be unhealthy for 6 years before I can even claim it! And I pay 10% of my wage for my whole working life for the privilege.

Clutterbugsmum
I will be, but one thing for sure, it certainly will be no where as generous as the public sector one,

50% of student nurses have typically been mature students over 30. I didn’t qualify until my early 40s. Not everyone has been paying into the pension for that long. And many of us have had to opt out in order to afford basic living expenses.

You’re very hung up on the pension aren’t you? Do I sense some bitterness there?;-)

@Unphased what is the salary level where you can expect to have no pay rises and essentially a pay cut? Is there one?

So in 2019 I was paid say 60k to drive my train. I still am paid that today. My work load hasn't decreased, my shifts haven't got shorter etc but I am effectively paid less now.

However my management and share holders are still receiving million pound dividend payouts.

And I'm supposed to just accept that?

Once you earn a certain amount you aren't entitled to more? Or better?

In that vein politicians shouldn't have had a pay rise. They earn above the level you have decided is "enough"

I'm actually not annoyed at my employer- they are willing to give us a pay rise - however the rail delivery group won't allow them to. So they are happy for these strikes to continue. Read into that what you will.

GneissGuysFinishLast
what are you doing wrong?
4 People near me, retired 55-57, 2 Nurses, 1 Teacher, 1 Doctor,

Chesneyhawkes1
£60,000 seems like a fantastic wage, if you want more why not become a manager or a shareholder,
you do realise many pension funds are shareholders, lower returns, lower pension

DontStopMeNow7
why don’t you leave the job,

Why don’t you find out how exactly these 5 people managed to do that instead of telling someone else they are doing something “wrong”?

Your argument: the public sector has no right to complain/strike because their pensions are better. So if they don’t like their crappy lives they can retire instead of campaigning for themselves.

Your logic is flawed because not everyone is at retirement age. The salaries are insufficient (definition: not increasing with inflation) to live on and therefore pension contributions can’t be paid by some people anyway.

And the suggestion that a decent pension compensates for bad (often sub-human) working conditions and lower pay is short sighted and completely lacking in compassion. By this logic, people should put up with anything on the basis that they get a decent retirement, and by your ill-conceived view, an early one as well.

Heartless
And completely ridiculous.

I AM leaving the job

DontStopMeNow7
On a salary of between 27,-35,000, more than the average salary

My DD has done just as you suggest..... trained at states (your) expense (minus her tuition fees)
12months rotation, lots of experience, now leaving to work abroad.... for double the money too .... win win!!

You must be v pleased that out of her uni cohort, over half have left the NHS now... what a waste of tax payers time & money.

So when you or a loved one/friend etc needs the NHS, it wont be there.... slow clap for @Unphased

By your equally flawed logic, everyone unhappy in the public sector should just leave. That’s a lot of people. So you’d be happy with no one to help you/serve you in case of illness, emergency, fire, transport, teaching would you? Your argument is disingenuous.

It's clearly an attempt to bring down the government (fair dos) but it won't work.

People use trains a lot less anyway snd can work from home. The NHS as a service is shite every day (ex nurse) so waiting on a trolley or having your op cancelled is the norm strike or not. If GPs strike who would notice you can't see one anyway ditto dentists

The teachers won't get support really as they don't have the sympathy nurses get.

Civil servants striking well so what really!

The strikers will get fed up of loosing pay snd gradually creep back to work.

All the government needs to do is wait it out.

DontStopMeNow7
They don’t have to work there, it’s their choice

Alexandra2001
Good for her, I don’t blame her, At least she’s doing something for herself instead of striking

Alexandra2001
Added bonus she will be paying her student loan back quicker, with the higher wage she will be on.

If you're not happy with your pension why didn't you become a manager or shareholder then? Or better yet quit your job and get a cushy, well-paid public sector job with an amazing pension, great holidays and unrivaled benefits???

Yes. In some respects it’s not too bad. Add to that unsociable working pay and the salary is not bad. Certainly if you are young and it’s your first job.

This isn’t really the whole issue. The problem is the working conditions + providing essential public services with pay that has not increased with the rise of inflation as with the private sector. This means that in real terms, these salaries have decreased. Over the years those who are too young to retire but who have worked increasingly harder really feel the pinch and a sense of injustice.

Its about the working conditions. If the government really can’t improve the working conditions and doesn’t want us to feel compelled to leave, it should reward us for the backbreaking work we do at least with a pay rise to match inflation.

Its the only solution, bar actually improving working conditions such as having enough staff. Oh but wait …no one will want to do the job so it’s a compounding problem.

You think the solution is to either put up with bad working conditions and unrewarding pay, or to leave.
How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Yes it is. And again, by this logic everyone unhappy should just leave. Good luck with that. Those people might get lucky and find something better. You, as a member of the public, will not be better off.

The strikes will end when the government deigns to sit down at the negotiating table in good faith and try to hammer something out.

Rishi Sunak travels by helicopter and his family has private healthcare, private education etc so don't hold your breath that he's going to sort any of these things out for us and our families.

What does he care if the country goes to rack and ruin and hundreds of extra people are dying every week because of all the staffing gaps in the NHS.