To wonder how the strikes will end?

[Wingingit11]

This isn’t a thread about whether you agree with strikes as a concept or not (there have been soooo many) but to question how you think the strikes will end?! To me, the longer they go on, the less likely there is to be movement on either side ?

@Girlswithgoodbodieslikeboyswithferarris
"If you are injured in a parachuting accident I don’t think you are going to need the NHS "

Why would someone who is injured not need the NHS?

Specifically with a parachuting accident - because there is a good chance your body parts will be spread over a relatively large distance.

Agree but how? how do you not help someone who is a loved parent or child?

Tax increases on the better off are going to have to happen, as will some form of compulsory long term ins scheme for social care in old age if you wish to avoid selling the house.

The problem with a split lip is severity and without treatment and/or stiches and possibly plastic surgery, scaring can occur... would you like a child to have a disfigurement because they weren't allowed to have treatment?

As i said, we need far more minor injury units.

Better pay will help stop staff leaving, one reason staff resign is they feel under valued and shat upon... a decent pay rise will also increase morale... last years 1% increase which then was reluctantly increased to 3% led to lot of ill feeling.

It will also help recruit more students into the NHS, bursaries also need to be significantly reduced too and those who have part paid them back, refunded.

Most parachute injuries are lower limp injuries caused by bad landings, same with things like para & hang gliding and in the event of death, there is also a lot of cost to the state.

Yes sorry you are right on 3rd world, should be developing countries.

Unhealthy lifestyles should somehow be penalised

They sort of are already, @Unphased . The heavy drinkers and smokers don't live as long, so their state pensions cost a lot less, even if they live long enough to claim them. And the tax on booze and fags is massive: approx £5 on a packet of cigarettes and more than half the price of a bottle of spirits is tax.

I injured myself in a parachuting accident! Thankfully, it was only a dislocated knee from landing badly, so not fatal.

Indeed, as Sir Humphrey put it, "smokers are national benefactors".

If we really want to save the NHS, perhaps the government should introduce a pro-smoking campaign. It would solve our aging population.

Absoutely, my late DP, a 30 a day man, died of a heart attack at 60. It was only his second-ever admission to A&E, the other was 40 years earlier when some idiot knocked him off his motorbike.

He cost the state very little in health care costs, having been remarkably fit until he got Covid, they got shedloads of tax out of him and never had to pay him a penny in pension.

I reckon the government is holding out in the hope that rate of inflation dips so they can offer an in line with inflation payrise that is lower than 10%

They may be but that will leave NHS workers even worse off than before, adding to retention and recruitment issues..... very short sighted.

I agree, very short sighted, but I reckon they want to offer less but have the public opinion that they are offering the right amount - even if it isn't

Are we all that stupid?

Plus inflation isn't going to be at or around 5% for many months to come... if at all this year.
We don't know what Putin will do.. China opening up will increase demand, as will USA growth.. predicted to be 4.5% ... EU growth is approx 2.5% too, all this will push price inflation and demand.

On top of all that (UK) we have business and residential energy price support decreasing.. 40% on consumer bills.... i don't know where this falling inflation is supposed to be coming from?

I haven't suggested we are all that stupid, nor am I commenting on the rights or wrongs- I was just guessing along with everyone else.

The bank of England website is reporting that they expect it will fall sharply mid year and end at 4% so it was not a completely bonkers guess that the government might be holding out for that and happy to let us all suffer the strikes and cause public opinion to sway.

I actually feel really wound up as I can't decide whether to strike this Thursday and Friday. It's really peturbing me. I feel like I can't win either way.

The strikes will end when the government do their job and put the needs of the country first.

Reported in media today firefighters been given a small raise and called off strikes

I wouldn't call 7% backdated to last July and a further 5% from July this year. I would say that's a decent pay rise.

And probably if the government offered the same to nurses, ambulance and teachers they would accept it.