Can we have nothing for ourselves? Male fucking menopause

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Don’t think I can bring myself to watch this segment on Packed Lunch. Debilitating for them apparently…

So men cannot have surgical andropause due to cancer treatment, but women can have surgical menopause due to cancer treatment….seems a bit illogical.

310 studies on andropause over past 10yrs according to PubMed.
The existence of the European Menopause and Andropause Society (EMAS) would also seem to indicate it’s not a myth.

Men don't have andropause at all, because it's not a thing. Women will all experience menopause (unless they experience a serious medical issue that affects their reproductive system prior to menopause age). Women can have menopause triggered by medical interventions. Men can have temporary or permanently lowered testosterone as a result of medical intervention. Calling that "andropause" and claiming it's an analogue of menopause is illogical.

Just had a look at the EMAS website, very interesting. Lots and lots on there about andropause, not just the name of the organisation... oh no, sorry, not a single thing on there about andropause other than the name.

The articles on PubMed either discuss the controversial use of the term "andropause" or they use it as a synonym for late onset hypogonadism which is an uncommon condition that older/elderly men suffer.

It is a “thing”. Numerous studies and articles exist on it. And not in the sense of calling it a mythical unicorn.

Yes, you’ve been through everything EMAS has published and read all 310 studies published in the past ten years on andropause in 17 minutes flat
👏👏👏👏 Quite the accomplishment.

There is, it’s documented and happens.
You might not agree, but the joy of science is you don’t have to 😊

What can I say, @Onnabugeisha, I'm a quick reader I skimmed and searched, darling, obviously.

What is documented and called "andropause" is late onset hypogonadism. Which happens, rarely, to a small percentage of older and elderly men. As I have said. Men do not go through a menopause analogue. All women will experience menopause (exceptions as previously noted).

Oh i dunno They might change their minds about not allowing those new menopause employment laws now if they think men have it just as bad. Thats usually how it goes isnt it. Every cloud eh?!!

And all men experience reductions in their sex hormones and fertility as well. It’s more gradual, but it’s a stretch to say it doesn’t exist because it doesn’t match what women go through.

Menopause isn't a "reduction in sex hormones and fertility". It's a permanent end to reproductive capability and a permanent change in hormones. As a PP explained, what you're saying is like saying that puberty is a kind of menopause, or pregnancy is a kind of menopause. Because they all involve a change of hormones.

Honper
Its about the dropping levels of testosterone with age can, in some men, lead to symptoms similar to menopause type symptoms.

In very rare cases, some very much older men of 70+ yo can have a medical issue that leads to a big drop in testosterone and that causes problems. It's not a menopause (there being no menses to pause), it doesn't happen to all men and it doesn't happen to middle aged men.

They just experience the same middle aged "what the fuck have I done with my life, I'm never going to be a rock star" crisis that all women do, except unlike women they don't have a menopause. Despite you spending your entire fucking evening on here wanging on about it - during which time I've learned a Bach partita, cooked dinner and washed up btw - there isn't a man in the entire history of the world that has experienced menopause.

I'm not saying they have menses to pause - I am saying that some men - some men - suffer from similar symptoms.

And if they do, they should not be ridiculed that its just some mid life crises and the fact they were never a rock star.

Because for the small number of men who do suffer the symptoms, it can be quite dramatic especially if its depression & anxiety

Btw - i also cooked dinner for 5 of us last night whilst on here - did two loads of washing and dismantled the rear brake caliper of a Peugeot 308 - whats your point here?

RoseslnTheHospital
Menopause isn't a "reduction in sex hormones and fertility". It's a permanent end to reproductive capability and a permanent change in hormones.

No one is saying its not - but its all triggered by the reduction of hormones. This leads to various symptoms women suffer from.

But some men - some men - suffer from similar symptoms which can be attributed to the lowering of hormones too.

Yes - there are other factors which can cause it - but sometimes its hormonal alone.

I just don't think its fair or particularly nice to dismiss and ridicule the small percentage of men who suffer from the symptoms.

oh so this discussion has been taken over by men. Yawn

Can certainly tell that @Felix125 & @Onnabugeisha have never experienced the butcher’s yard of peri or the physical horrendousness of actual menopause. No-one even tells women how awful it is (& I believe I am getting away lightly compared to some friends as I has had very little impact on mood in my case, am just dealing with the physical symptoms) so I certainly wouldn’t expect men to get it.

And believe me men do not get flooding. However much you would like them to.

Please don’t tell my husband that there’s even the faintest possibility of him having anything similar to a menopause - I’m not sure I can cope! As it is, whenever I am ill, he has to be ill straight after (preferably the first day I feel better) even when it’s obvious he’s not actually ill 🙄

From what I’ve read the andropause can happen gradually unless there’s a medical reason and it sounds as though the symptoms aren’t usually as severe. However, everyone reacts differently to things. Another man bashing thread with comments from some women who don’t like men as usual!

it's a miracle when you think about it. How did that one slip through the net?

I doubt that these two men have churned out 7 pages of posts by themselves. Most of it has been shameful ridicule by women.

It's not a competition and noone is making it one, except certain women who seem to have big complexes.

Awareness of the menopause is diabolical but is improving and many employers have taken it onboard. Most women I know don't ever talk about it either, especially not to their husbands, so is hardly surprising that men don't know much about it. But it's changing.

I've never heard of the male version and have never heard it mentioned before. As has been said, society mocks men for going through their mid life crisis but there could be a more serious side. Is it worse than the menopause? I very much doubt it is, but it really doesn't need passing off or ridicule, just because women don't get the recognition or appreciation thought to be deserved.

I take no pleasure in anyone's suffering however small.

Were talking about menopause happening to men. Which, of course, it doesn't, so my comment stands.

There isn't the faintest teeniest tiniest possibility of him having anything remotely similar to what the menopause is, don't worry!

You make a good point though, and I wonder if there's a correlation between when men start experiencing some of these uncommon symptoms. Maybe around the time their wives do?

so I find this interesting, do posters have any experience with their other half's / dad's / brother's andropause? Hoe does it present?

It presents as the NHS page describes, as a whole host of various issues that are caused by various lifestyle and situational issues eg stress, weight gain. None of which are caused by a change in testosterone levels.

Not at all but I wouldn't disregard, discount or ridicule.

@RoseslnTheHospital

Do you actually have any medical expertise in this area, as your username suggests? Genuinely interested as you seem to be talking it down but can't tell if you're doing this from a position of knowledge/experience or not.

It's not something I've even heard of till this thread, so am open minded at present.

No experience of this at all. Although I know someone who got depression after blowing his family's life savings on bitcoin around the age of 47.