Can we have nothing for ourselves? Male fucking menopause

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Don’t think I can bring myself to watch this segment on Packed Lunch. Debilitating for them apparently…

@Onnabugeisha

as I said before, every woman will experience menopause, unless they have some other very serious health issue that has already affected their reproductive system. These issues around testosterone levels for men are not inevitable nor even typical, or even a significant minority of men. And certainly not for men in their 30s and 40s.

So, because the effects of hormonal changes affects more women then men - we should mock the men who suffer from it as not being important.

Yes, every women will go through menopause in that our periods stop, just like every man will go through andropause. The things that are not universal or inevitable for both sexes are the associated physical symptoms. Even if a hundreds times as many menopausal women as andropausal men suffer symptoms, that doesn’t negate the existence of andropause itself.

Andropause is linked to why men are 2x more likely to die from Covid compared to women. 🤷‍♀️
”In addition to these male menopause symptoms, there is mounting evidence indicating that very low testosterone can be linked to a host of serious diseases in later life and older age. These can include diabetes, osteoporosis (reduced bone mass/brittle bones) and Alzheimer’s disease. There is even research suggesting that Low T levels can make men more vulnerable to the effects of Coronavirus/Covid-19.”
www.centreformenshealth.co.uk/mens-health-services/male-menopause

@Cocobutt the NHS website specifically says that there is no such thing as an andropause or "male menopause". There's a paragraph titled "is there such as thing as the male menopause". Answer:

The "male menopause" (sometimes called the andropause) is an unhelpful term sometimes used in the media.
This label is misleading because it suggests the symptoms are the result of a sudden drop in testosterone in middle age, similar to what occurs in the female menopausee_. This is not true.

[Emphasis added by me.]

It goes on to explain that some of the medical symptoms listed might be caused by an uncommon issue called late onset hypogonadism but this is not common.

@Felix125 why ask me if I think men should be mocked? I'm not mocking them, I'm not advocating mocking them. I actually wrote that they should seek help if they experience any of the symptoms you listed. I also pointed out that labelling it a "male menopause" is unhelpful, as the NHS state.

Challenge the poster that said they'd laugh, rather than one that didn't, and wouldn't.

But its still a change in a persons hormone level which is effecting them?
No matter what you call it - its a real thing

I was just talking about the beard thing tbh. I have no idea if a very very slow gradual reduction in T contributes to male suicide rate.

I know things like life stresses as they get older, money worries, reluctance to seek support do though.

RoseslnTheHospital

I'm not saying you're mocking - but other posters on here are

The 'male equivalent' is just a list of the generic signs of ageing.

the NHS website specifically says that there is no such thing as an andropause or "male menopause". There's a paragraph titled "is there such as thing as the male menopause". Answer:

No it does not.
You’ve literally quoted it yourself.

They say it’s an unhelpful term because it’s misleading - not that it doesn’t exist.

@Felix125 Late onset hypogonadism is not common or typical, and usually affects elderly men not those in their 30s and 40s. Trying to ascribe male suicide levels (or other issues) in those age brackets to a drop in hormones is just plain incorrect.

Trying to hold onto the menopause is a really weird thing to be territorial over.

Men do have a type of menopause, and the wording in our work policy reflects that.

Megifer

Yes - lowered testosterone levels can lead to depression on its own - irrespective of other lifestyle pressures

Have you actually read the NHS page @Felix125 ? It says, as PP pointed out already but you chose to ignore, that the andropause is NOT linked to hormones.

RoseslnTheHospital

I'm not saying its common or typical.
I am saying that it can happen to some men though

Lowered testosterone can lead to depression on its own which can lead to suicide.

So it is a real thing that should not be mocked or dismissed (I know not by you).

@Cocobutt there is no drop in testosterone in the same or similar way to the way in which womens hormones change during peri menopause and after menopause. The issues listed in the NHS page as being caused by "male menopause" are described on that page as being due to other, lifestyle and social, issues. Such as stress, weight gain, anxiety, etc etc.

Separately, some older and elderly men can get late onset hypogonadism which can also cause them issues. It's not common or even a large minority of men that experience this. And it's not a "male menopause" either.

labelling it a "male menopause" is unhelpful, as the NHS state.

I agree with this whole-heartedly because they’re two completely different things biologically. It’s a bit like trying to call a penis a ‘male clitoris’….there may be rough similarities between the two but you can’t compare them.

But they don't. It's not trying to "hold onto" something that women ought to share with men, it's just not correct. It's medically incorrect and unhelpful to label a myriad of other issues with non-hormonal causes as one issue with one cause.

I'm sure my ex had his own version of pmt, it always coincided with a full moon

Regardless of what you want to call it - the lowering of testosterone in men can happen to some men (not all) but some

And it can have a devastating effect on them. And if so, they should be supported and not mocked

That's all I am saying

Under every pony tail is an arsehole, I think that is how the saying goes?

See - another one who jokes and mocks the subject

This really pisses me off. Having gone through the menopause and recognise it's a big thing, and at least being talked about more, by Davina etc, then this latest bullshit I find incredibly insulting.

Why would you find it insulting?

We are not minimising what you have gone through at all - and you should be supported throughout

But what if a man suffers similar symptoms - should he just be dismissed?

Not denying that, although from what I've read it seems that T has to be fairly low for it to be the direct cause.

I don't doubt men have a rough time and some may feel the affects of slowly reducing hormones. But bottom line is men do not have the menopause or anything similar to how the menopause starts and progresses.

Some men just can't tolerate women getting any attention at all, can they?