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smileladiesplease · 2023-02-02T21:09:36+00:00

Rishi tonight on talk TV piers 'what is a woman?' Rishi 'an adult human female!' Fffsssss Starmer wake the bastard fuck up!!!!!!! Seriously now read the bloody room!!!!! I want to vote Labour again please

ScrollingLeaves · 03/02/2023 23:19

Correction:
Obviously the service will be for any WC who need it
= Obviously the service will be for any WC girls or women who need it.

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 23:22

QueenCamilla · 03/02/2023 22:59

The only question with any complexity is: "What is it to BE a woman?" There might be discussion there.

The observed biological sex needs absolutely no society-wide discussion. You're either right on the facts or wrong. Nothing else to speak about.

That's medically incorrect.

I agree it's a simple issue if you ignore all the facts that don't suit you and then spend your time screaming about it into some corner of the internet where you've found people as nonsensical as yourself.

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:31

ScrollingLeaves · 03/02/2023 23:17

@PennyToffee · Today 22:45
You know I read the FWR board and i do get some of it, but then they wang on about boycotting Lush or whichever company has pissed them off this week and the love for JK Rowling who is a fucking millionaire and can afford to Tweet and say what she likes and I think you have no clue about WC women and what they need. What they need the government to do for them.

I think you may not have realised this (quoted below) about JK Rowling. It is from a longer article about her philanthropy but I couldn’t quote it all.

Also, recently, she has set up, and is paying for with her own money, a rape crisis centre in Edinburgh so women who have been raped can get help in a male free space ( there are other provisions in Edinburgh for men of any identity who have been raped). Obviously the service will be for any WC who need it.

In 2000, Rowling established the Volant Charitable Trust, which uses its annual budget to combat poverty and social inequality, with a particular emphasis on women and children. Volant also funds major disaster appeals as the focus of the Trust's international support.

*“It’s much easier for certain sections of society to say. "You’ve brought this on yourself by your fecklessness; you sort it out," than to say "You’ve been a victim of circumstances" or "Hey, marriages break up…..but how are we going to help you help yourself?"^

^Her philanthropy is now unabashedly visible and involved. For example,
two books written for Comic Relief – Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them and Quidditch Through the Ages – have gone on to raise £15.7m for the fund. Rowling has said that “You have a moral responsibility when you’ve been given far more than you need, to do wise things with it and give intelligently”. Rather than passively signing large cheques, she involves herself not only in the organisation of her own charities but also in well-publicised events (such as a reading with Stephen King and John Irving in New York to raise money for AIDS and ‘Medicine Without Borders’), that increase the public and media profile of the cause she is supporting as well as raising substantial amounts of money.^

^In the last couple of years, Rowling has been almost hyper-active in her giving of her time, money and her celebrity status.
In 2006, she contributed a substantial sum towards the creation of a new Centre for Regenerative Medicine at Edinburgh University – her mother died of multiple sclerosis - and hosted a fund-raising ball with her anaesthetist husband to mark the twelfth anniversary of her mother’s death^

In the same year, Rowling went to Bucharest to highlight the use of child institutions in the region and raise support for the Children’s High-Level Group (CHLG), which was founded by her and MEP Emma Nicholson. In 2010, CHLG became Lumos Foundation which now works globally to end the institutionalisation of children, a little-known issue that affects 8 million children around the world, most who have parents but are placed in orphanages and institutions through poverty, disability, conflict and crisis. To support Lumos, Rowling auctioned one of seven handwritten and illustrated copies of The Tales of Beedle the Bard, a collection of wizarding fairy tales alluded to in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the final book of the Harry Potter series, and raised £1.95m for the charity.

In addition, in 2015, her Harvard commencement speech from 2008 Very Good Lives was released in book form with proceeds of the sales going to support Lumos' work

After the bid, she said, “Large amounts of wealth bring a certain responsibility if you’re any kind of human being, then after you fulfil your family’s needs, you think, well how do I do some good with this?”

About Lush - did you realise Lush had been sending out breast-binders to young girls under cover so their parents wouldn’t know; and that they can cause a lot of harm to girls’ breast tissue, hurt their ribs and be bad for breathing? The fuss over Lush wasn’t for a minor reason. A lot of people end up on the FWR board because of their own family being affected.

Ask Rishi why some women shoplift and end up in prison
Ask Rishi why women have to use food banks to feed their children
Ask Rishi why the NHS is fucked and their elderly relatives have to spend hours in an ambulance before they even get into a hospital
Then come tell me that him saying he knows what a woman is, is the best thing that he ever said.

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 23:35

It is vulnerable women who are likely to be in :

prison and rape crisis centres or in women's refuges.

Agree, and odds are that cis gendered heterosexual men had a big role in their path to those places.

Women are far far far far more likely to be abused, raped, assaulted by men who identify as men and see them on a regular basis.

Not some transgender boogeyman who hangs out in the public toilets.

My God, the actual abusive men and those in power who benefit from the oppression of women must just fucking love that so much oxygen is being given to this niche issue, that the finger is being pointed at a tiny group with little power, instead of holding them to any kind of account.

This whole debate is such a massive own goal for feminists and I am just embarrassed for so many women on this thread.

C8H10N4O2 · 03/02/2023 23:41

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 22:33

I have an issue with MC feminism. yes. Because they clearly have no clue how the Tories have fucked WC women over.

You think WC women are more likely to end up in prison? or a hostel? Why is that? Because Rishi and his mates have done fuck all to address their issues.

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Because WC women never went near prisons under a Labour government?

I've spent most of my life doorstopping for Labour and this is frankly ridiculous. Women end up in prison now for the same reasons as ever - mostly as a consequence of the crimes and abuse of men. That never changes, whichever colour the government.

It is absolutely WC, minority and otherwise disadvantaged women who have the most to lose from removing sex based protections, from women only care and access to women only groups and spaces. Its the MC virtue signalling wings of Labour which is forcing this into policy. Those are the party members who don't even care if Labour is elected because actually they do quite nicely under the status quo. That is the wing which has expelled women from the party for refusing to deny biology and harasses them for speaking about their experiences of abuse. They are destroying the Labour party I grew up in and have no more to do with WC women than Sunak does.

Walkinmeshoes · 03/02/2023 23:45

@lifeturnsonadime what I meant was public perception of the matter is less cut and dried than you think.
What's your opinion on sending people to Rwanda ? Or turning boats back in the
channel ? Or even abolishing the human rights act ? Now that is a biggy and proposed by the tories ? Do those things not bother you ?

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:47

What's your opinion on sending people to Rwanda ? Or turning boats back in the
channel ? Or even abolishing the human rights act ? Now that is a biggy and proposed by the tories ? Do those things not bother you ?

I'm not sure why you are asking me this. I am not a conservative voter.

I just can't vote Labour while they continue to sell women out.

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:50

C8H10N4O2 · 03/02/2023 23:41

Because WC women never went near prisons under a Labour government?

I've spent most of my life doorstopping for Labour and this is frankly ridiculous. Women end up in prison now for the same reasons as ever - mostly as a consequence of the crimes and abuse of men. That never changes, whichever colour the government.

It is absolutely WC, minority and otherwise disadvantaged women who have the most to lose from removing sex based protections, from women only care and access to women only groups and spaces. Its the MC virtue signalling wings of Labour which is forcing this into policy. Those are the party members who don't even care if Labour is elected because actually they do quite nicely under the status quo. That is the wing which has expelled women from the party for refusing to deny biology and harasses them for speaking about their experiences of abuse. They are destroying the Labour party I grew up in and have no more to do with WC women than Sunak does.

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WC women have the most to lose under a Tory government, yet you would vote for them because Rishi has uttered the words the MC feminists of MN worship. That's not feminism in my world.

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 03/02/2023 23:50

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:31

Ask Rishi why some women shoplift and end up in prison
Ask Rishi why women have to use food banks to feed their children
Ask Rishi why the NHS is fucked and their elderly relatives have to spend hours in an ambulance before they even get into a hospital
Then come tell me that him saying he knows what a woman is, is the best thing that he ever said.

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Well said.
Sometimes it's a good thing that this stuff seeps out of FWR, as you end up with more a range of opinions than the usual echo chamber.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:51

RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella · 03/02/2023 22:35

if you are a woman it's like voting turkeys for Christmas.
See, I feel that way about voting for the Tories.

And that is fair enough.

We all have different bottom lines.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:53

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:31

Ask Rishi why some women shoplift and end up in prison
Ask Rishi why women have to use food banks to feed their children
Ask Rishi why the NHS is fucked and their elderly relatives have to spend hours in an ambulance before they even get into a hospital
Then come tell me that him saying he knows what a woman is, is the best thing that he ever said.

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Ask Starmer and he won't know what a woman is!

L1ttledrummergirl · 03/02/2023 23:53

@ScrollingLeaves thank-you for the link to that petition, I've already signed it and I expect most others on this thread have as well, or will be totally anti it.
If there is anyone here who has concerns about self ID and hasn't signed it yet then should certainly give it consideration.

This is an issue my Conservative MP has been very quiet on, certainly hasn't replied to my letters on the subject down the years although that might change now that Sunak knows what a women is.

I've heard Starmer talk about this issue in interviews, and from what I understand he would like to ensure that women have safe spaces, but that transgender people also have safe spaces. These cannot be the same spaces though.
Right now the biggest threat to women and children has been and is being caused by the conservative party, their policies are adversely affecting women and children, and the trans lobbyists have got a toe hold under their governance and booted the door in.

I will continue to lobby my MP, at the next election I will be asking questions in the hustings and listening to what they say and how they say it. I cannot vote for Starmer as I don't live in his constituency but I will consider his leadership in my vote. My current conservative MP has been beyond fucking useless, failing to reply to letters, unable to make a decision and rarely in the constituency. Our Labour candidate is a GP so he had better bloody know what a woman is. I will see what he says at the hustings.

If you want gender Id to be challenged then we need to do it at the ballot box. Talk to your local candidates, find out about their histories and ask the difficult questions. If enough new MPs of any party who believe that sex not gender are voted in, then we are off to a good start.
Right now this government is a bigger danger and needs to go.

I think JK Rowling rocks along with all the other women who have spoken out about the issue.

denpark · 03/02/2023 23:55

I HATE the Tories with a passion but..

A woman is born with a vagina
A woman gets periods naturally
A woman has XX chromosomes

The world has gone a bit crazy. I completely understand people wanting to transition BUT it doesn't make you a woman/man (dependent on how you transition). You are trans. It's very simple.

I have quite a few friends who have transitioned and even they find this argument daft. They are not biological women and never try to impose the idea of them being women. They are trans and very (quite) rightly proud to be so. They have gone through so much and are amazing people.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:55

I've heard Starmer talk about this issue in interviews, and from what I understand he would like to ensure that women have safe spaces,

that's grand but know that Starmer that thinks it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix. So don't assume that Starmer's definition of Woman is the same as yours.

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:58

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:53

Ask Starmer and he won't know what a woman is!

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I wouldn't vote for Starmer. Not because he doesn't know what a woman is though.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/02/2023 23:59

Ask Starmer and he won't know what a woman is!

Or knows fine well but doesn't dare say it. Which brings us back to the OPs point.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 00:01

ErrolTheDragon · 03/02/2023 23:59

Ask Starmer and he won't know what a woman is!

Or knows fine well but doesn't dare say it. Which brings us back to the OPs point.

Yep.

Why in a civilised society can't we name what a woman is.

It is not too much to ask the leader of the opposition party to speak the truth, or is it?

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 00:02

PennyToffee · 03/02/2023 23:58

I wouldn't vote for Starmer. Not because he doesn't know what a woman is though.

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I'm interested to know who you would vote for and why?

howmanybicycles · 04/02/2023 00:02

StarsSand · 03/02/2023 23:35

It is vulnerable women who are likely to be in :

prison and rape crisis centres or in women's refuges.

Agree, and odds are that cis gendered heterosexual men had a big role in their path to those places.

Women are far far far far more likely to be abused, raped, assaulted by men who identify as men and see them on a regular basis.

Not some transgender boogeyman who hangs out in the public toilets.

My God, the actual abusive men and those in power who benefit from the oppression of women must just fucking love that so much oxygen is being given to this niche issue, that the finger is being pointed at a tiny group with little power, instead of holding them to any kind of account.

This whole debate is such a massive own goal for feminists and I am just embarrassed for so many women on this thread.

You know that people can be worried about all of those things? The fact that men who don't think they're women cause, statistically speaking, they most harm does not mean we should ignore men in women's spaces. Giving away the definition of women is very costly long term. Being blasé as the very definition of woman is warped and all protections foe women with it is not the move of a person who actually strives for equality.

howmanybicycles · 04/02/2023 00:05

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:55

I've heard Starmer talk about this issue in interviews, and from what I understand he would like to ensure that women have safe spaces,

that's grand but know that Starmer that thinks it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix. So don't assume that Starmer's definition of Woman is the same as yours.

Exactly
It's a meaningless statement because he means that to be in a woman's space you just have to say you're a woman. So efficient man can go into what he wants to pretend I'd a woman's only space. It's utterly meaningless and if you fall for it you're letting him pull the wool over your eyes.

ilovesooty · 04/02/2023 00:08

It's not too much to ask the Prime Minister to tell the truth but we all know that since Boris Johnson was elected that hasn't happened very often.

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/02/2023 00:09

lifeturnsonadime · 03/02/2023 23:55

I've heard Starmer talk about this issue in interviews, and from what I understand he would like to ensure that women have safe spaces,

that's grand but know that Starmer that thinks it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix. So don't assume that Starmer's definition of Woman is the same as yours.

If I lived in his constituency I would be attending the hustings and asking the questions, if enough people in that constituency don't like the answer then he won't be voted in and Labour would have to choose a new leader. It depends on the people of Holborn and St pancras.
He is supposed to represent his constituents, maybe he does in this issue.

PennyToffee · 04/02/2023 00:11

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 00:02

I'm interested to know who you would vote for and why?

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I don't know TBH. I've been a labour voter all my life, But Starmer is not my labour. He might as well be a Tory.

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 00:12

L1ttledrummergirl · 04/02/2023 00:09

If I lived in his constituency I would be attending the hustings and asking the questions, if enough people in that constituency don't like the answer then he won't be voted in and Labour would have to choose a new leader. It depends on the people of Holborn and St pancras.
He is supposed to represent his constituents, maybe he does in this issue.

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well I hope the people there, the women especially, ask the right questions and care about the answers.

But on a more fundamental level it is very important that the potential leader of any country is prepared to tell the truth.

I don't really think that Mr Starmer or many others actually believe that men have a cervix, do you?

lifeturnsonadime · 04/02/2023 00:13

ilovesooty · 04/02/2023 00:08

It's not too much to ask the Prime Minister to tell the truth but we all know that since Boris Johnson was elected that hasn't happened very often.

So you expect nothing more from the incumbent Labour PM?

Interesting, and why is that?