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Icannotbelieveitatall · 2023-02-02T14:23:00+00:00

I cannot believe that the charges have been dropped. Anyone remember the audio recording? He demanded she put her legs up. “Mason stop, I don’t want to have sex.” ”I don’t give a fuck what you want.” Charges dropped. I cannot believe it.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/08/2023 18:46

And the continual use of "alleged victim "

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 21/08/2023 18:47

I bet you he either ends up in: Turkey, China, Saudi or Qatar.

Mycuprunnethover · 21/08/2023 18:49

"Cleared of all charges." No, mate. You broke your bail conditions to contact the victim who was already getting precious little support from her own father. You then got her pregnant. Presumably, you then pressured her to withdraw her allegations and to come up with some bullshit about how none of it was true - which the club are now claiming is the "new evidence not in the public domain".

Something tells me MG would not be back with this woman if she had just made up a load of shit about him, got him in trouble with the police, and ruined his career and public image. Women who are beaten, however, routinely take back violent partners and cover for them.

viques · 21/08/2023 18:52

LlynTegid · 21/08/2023 16:22

The FA should make a statement saying he will never be picked for England or permitted to do any FA coaching courses.

My guess is that he will go to play in Saudi Arabia.

I hope he does, if he carries on with his nasty ways there he will learn what it is like to be threatened and intimidated by someone with more power than you.

viques · 21/08/2023 18:53

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 21/08/2023 18:45

Agree, and what exactly does -

While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for

mean?

I think it means “next time I will make damn sure she hasn’t got her phone switched on”

WeetabixTowels · 21/08/2023 18:58

There was a v interesting thread the other day about rich people evading social services involvement.

My good (WC) friend had social workers breathing down her neck after her husband assaulted her so badly she was in hospital. They did spot checks to make sure he wasn’t hiding in cupboards and didn’t believe her when she said she wasn’t ever gonna let him back in. It was hell for her - I wonder is Greenwood and his GF have involvement considering he was actually charged and there’s clear evidence he’s a nasty violent fucker? Or so rich footballers and their victims just get a free pass?

IntentionalError · 21/08/2023 20:18

This article discusses United’s handling of Greenwood, who they were clearly desperate to keep. Club sources apparently briefed journalists a few days ago that he would continue to play for them, but such was the backlash that they have been forced to u-turn, despite him not being tried for any offences, never mind being convicted of anything.
Whatever you think of Greenwood, the case raises serious questions about trial by social media.

https://theathletic.com/4790552/2023/08/21/greenwood-man-united-u-turn/

Mason Greenwood and Manchester United: The U-turn - what happened and why

Emergency meetings, surprise at the backlash and an eventual change in decision after a week of leaks

https://theathletic.com/4790552/2023/08/21/greenwood-man-united-u-turn/

LlynTegid · 21/08/2023 20:28

Breaking bail conditions to me is not a trivial matter, a case not being pursued because a witness will not testify does not prove innocence.

I wonder if sponsors had indicated to Manchester United they would not renew contracts, for example. Manchester United's other players would have been in danger- you have seen only recently how Just Stop Oil protesters have invaded sporting arenas, and the Man U team coach has been attacked in the past.

AdamRyan · 21/08/2023 20:36

IntentionalError · 21/08/2023 20:18

This article discusses United’s handling of Greenwood, who they were clearly desperate to keep. Club sources apparently briefed journalists a few days ago that he would continue to play for them, but such was the backlash that they have been forced to u-turn, despite him not being tried for any offences, never mind being convicted of anything.
Whatever you think of Greenwood, the case raises serious questions about trial by social media.

https://theathletic.com/4790552/2023/08/21/greenwood-man-united-u-turn/

No. No it doesn't.
He has never said the video/audio wasn't him. Who knows how he explained it but it clearly was him.
He broke bail conditions.
He is not playing for the club because if he did it would bring them into disrepute. One could argue social media has been effective in giving some consequence for what he's done. It has not been "trial by social media" at all.

ilovesooty · 21/08/2023 20:41

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 21/08/2023 18:05

I’m horrified by the statement from him in which he says he was ‘cleared of all charges’ no you weren’t dickhead.

And the open letter from Richard Arnold which explicitly says ‘we believe that he didn’t do this’ and ‘the alleged victims family have been involved’ the family who were trying to cover up for him right from the start aye?

So basically they’ve got rid but only because of the backlash. They still intend to support him in finding a new job and they don’t think he has done anything really that wrong. So that’s good to know.

I thought the statement was appalling too. He's an abusive piece of scum.

ilovesooty · 21/08/2023 20:43

Mycuprunnethover · 21/08/2023 18:49

"Cleared of all charges." No, mate. You broke your bail conditions to contact the victim who was already getting precious little support from her own father. You then got her pregnant. Presumably, you then pressured her to withdraw her allegations and to come up with some bullshit about how none of it was true - which the club are now claiming is the "new evidence not in the public domain".

Something tells me MG would not be back with this woman if she had just made up a load of shit about him, got him in trouble with the police, and ruined his career and public image. Women who are beaten, however, routinely take back violent partners and cover for them.

I've just been called a lesbian moron on Facebook for pointing that out.

IntentionalError · 21/08/2023 20:53

AdamRyan · 21/08/2023 20:36

No. No it doesn't.
He has never said the video/audio wasn't him. Who knows how he explained it but it clearly was him.
He broke bail conditions.
He is not playing for the club because if he did it would bring them into disrepute. One could argue social media has been effective in giving some consequence for what he's done. It has not been "trial by social media" at all.

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I guess you either support the basic legal principle of “innocent until proven guilty” or you don’t. I do, and that is not the same thing as defending Greenwood.

AdamRyan · 21/08/2023 20:57

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal thing, not a moral or employment thing.

If an employer notices that their takings are down every time a particular employee is working, do they have to go to the police and have proof of the crime before they sack them?

This line only seems to be applied to men behaving badly sexually and doesn't stand up to scrutiny

Spottypaperdoll · 22/08/2023 17:42

AdamRyan · 21/08/2023 20:36

No. No it doesn't.
He has never said the video/audio wasn't him. Who knows how he explained it but it clearly was him.
He broke bail conditions.
He is not playing for the club because if he did it would bring them into disrepute. One could argue social media has been effective in giving some consequence for what he's done. It has not been "trial by social media" at all.

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My husband (a long life man utd fan) runs a football podcast and he has had people write into him, claiming they know for a fact MG told the club it was him, but the audio had been cut up and mashed together and what came out on social media was completely distorted and out of context. MG told the club he could prove it. APPARENTLY.

If they have seen proof of this, and this is what they are referencing in their statement, then I’m assuming its what he told the police also.

I can’t say if this is true or not. Personally it seems highly unlikely. It reads quite clearly to me as an abusive coward, who has manipulated and exploited someone who loved him. That poor girl, to have him as a partner and that prick as her father.

ExtraOnions · 22/08/2023 17:54

If the case is that the audio is a mash up, and she faked the bruises and the cut lip … why are GMP not pursuing her for Wasting Police Time? It’s because nothing was faked, and an abusive man is going round telling the world she’s a liar. He’s an awful awful human being.

pleasedontplayfuckgLoveShack · 22/08/2023 17:59

ExtraOnions · 22/08/2023 17:54

If the case is that the audio is a mash up, and she faked the bruises and the cut lip … why are GMP not pursuing her for Wasting Police Time? It’s because nothing was faked, and an abusive man is going round telling the world she’s a liar. He’s an awful awful human being.

I'd like to know this too. After all according to many people I've spoken to "women like her make it more difficult for real victims to be believed "

Spottypaperdoll · 22/08/2023 18:01

ExtraOnions · 22/08/2023 17:54

If the case is that the audio is a mash up, and she faked the bruises and the cut lip … why are GMP not pursuing her for Wasting Police Time? It’s because nothing was faked, and an abusive man is going round telling the world she’s a liar. He’s an awful awful human being.

I agree I think it’s a crock of shit.

To be honest whatever evidence the club are alluding to having, I don’t want to know, but it’s sickening knowing that they have only come to this conclusion after testing the water last week

grass321 · 22/08/2023 18:07

It's an interesting point. You'd pretty much have to mash up every word because even the single sentences on their own are vile.

And not to notice any change in tone or voice from splicing clips together? Unless his girlfriend moonlights as a BBC sound engineer, I'd say it's beyond highly unlikely.

If this were true, surely he'd release the proof when the police charged him with attempted rape? It's not like he can't afford the best lawyers to gather his defence.

prh47bridge · 22/08/2023 18:19

ExtraOnions · 22/08/2023 17:54

If the case is that the audio is a mash up, and she faked the bruises and the cut lip … why are GMP not pursuing her for Wasting Police Time? It’s because nothing was faked, and an abusive man is going round telling the world she’s a liar. He’s an awful awful human being.

Prosecutions for wasting police time are rare. It is not considered to be a serious crime and the maximum sentence is 6 months (which would almost certainly be suspended) and/or a fine of up to £2,500, although any prosecution requires the consent of the DPP. It can be dealt with by way of a fixed penalty. We have no way of knowing whether the complainant in this case has been given a fixed penalty by GMP.

prh47bridge · 22/08/2023 18:34

For completeness, it can also be dealt with by a caution. Again, we have no way of knowing if she has accepted a caution.

TaiDee · 22/08/2023 18:42

AdamRyan · 21/08/2023 20:57

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a criminal thing, not a moral or employment thing.

If an employer notices that their takings are down every time a particular employee is working, do they have to go to the police and have proof of the crime before they sack them?

This line only seems to be applied to men behaving badly sexually and doesn't stand up to scrutiny

Exactly.

Of course I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, i.e. that the burden of proof is on the prosecution in a criminal trial.

But it doesn’t require me, or anyone else, to throw my morals out of the window until and unless someone is criminally convicted.

For example, I think Jimmy Saville committed appalling crimes. That is, presumably, a very controversial statement to the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ crowd, who would no doubt leap to Saville’s defence.

floradora · 22/08/2023 18:56

This post examines the very carefully worded statement - "charges dropped" is not the same as "cleared" or "innocent". https://twitter.com/SwedishRumble/status/1693894775731032232

https://twitter.com/SwedishRumble/status/1693894775731032232

grass321 · 23/08/2023 06:25

The whole episode doesn't quite sit right but I can't put my finger on why.

If MU have found MG to be innocent, that assumes the recording is faked in some way. If this was the case (and it's a massive if), why would he not have put out a statement via his lawyers when it was first leaked? Not only would it help his public image but presumably his defence too?

I'm also sceptical that his girlfriend would do such a thing, knowing that he has the money to get the best lawyers. I'm not sure of the exact terminology but could he not sue her for defamation or similar?

Yet he doesn't deny the tape. And the CPS feel it has sufficient evidence to charge him with attempted rape. Given the number of rape cases that don't make it to prosecution, that's significant.

And then we have the MU statement which is vague and hides behind excuses and confidentiality. Possibly to protect his transfer value but doesn't actually provide any real answers or explanation.

All in all, something doesn't add up.

AdamRyan · 23/08/2023 07:38

Oh honestly it'll be the usual bollocks about how "she liked it rough". I think the fact they are back together probably means she told them it was a misunderstanding too.

I think at the start of all this it got reported to the police by the public after she put it on SM, rather than she reported it. So who knows.

Basically though the issue with this is its all about using a criminal bar to decide if someone's behaved ok. In the past and in relation to other crimes today, a moral or civil bar (on balance of probabilities) was used.

EddieHowesBlackandWhiteArmy · 23/08/2023 09:28

What possible motive would there be for someone deep faking that audio? It makes absolutely no sense. You have to assume it’s someone that isn’t his girlfriend because if she did it why on earth would you stay with her and have a baby together? If she didn’t do it, why did it take so long for her to withdraw her support for a prosecution. If he didn’t say those things in the order in which they’re said on the audio file, why not come straight out and vehemently deny all accusations of being a wannabe rapist and vow to clear your name if it’s the last thing you ever do. If you have evidence that you can potentially use to save your career and convince your boss to put out a worldwide statement backing you saying you haven’t done the things you’re accused of, why not make it public so the rest of the world don’t think you’re a violent rapey fucker.

Damn right none of it makes sense.