Mason Greenwood.

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I cannot believe that the charges have been dropped.

Anyone remember the audio recording?

He demanded she put her legs up.
“Mason stop, I don’t want to have sex.”
”I don’t give a fuck what you want.”

Charges dropped. I cannot believe it.

Jesus Christ

The number of men walking among us who have got away with rape and sexual assault far, FAR outnumber the number of men who have been falsely accused of similar. I was sexually assaulted twice by age 16 by men known to my family. For various reasons I didn't tell anyone. But that's two.

If we did a count of all similar experiences of MNers alone lord knows what number we'd stop counting at.

But I should stop frothing because they were never convicted

He should never play football professionally again.

Hopefully he'll be hounded out of every club that tries to play him.

”I asked you politely”

No words really.

I can't believe that the club have little choice but to keep him on. Even without those photos and that recording in circulation, the guy broke his bail conditions by getting in contact with the victim. In fact didn't he impregnate her while he wasn't meant to be anywhere near her? Surely there's something about not bringing the club into disrepute in his contract?

What video?

So how about Andrew Malkinson (the guy who spent 17 years in jail and was recently released). Would he be OK to go back to work. Or would his work have the right not to re-employ him. Say if he was a teacher - would he be OK to go back in that profession, or would that profession have the right to bar him from it?

Or Lucy Letby - if she is found 'not guilty' can she go back into nursing with children?

It was an audio recording.

I highly doubt either of those people will go back to their previous jobs.
Malkinson because the job won't be recognisable after 17 years and he's probably going to find it hard to readjust to work.

Letby because there are safeguarding implications that mean hospitals will be wary about the risk of employing her. She probably broke loads of rules/policies to be suspected of the crime. So I expect she will be struck off. Rightly so because who wants to take the chance that she is in fact a baby murderer even though the court couldnt prove beyond all reasonable doubt?

Shame the rape of women isn't taken as seriously really.

Andrew Malkinson was cleared of the crime. He was found to be innocent. Has that happened to Mason Greenwood? Has he been to court and had to face the evidence?

The CPS dropped the case after Harriet Robson refused to testify, as victims often do, and they felt it would be too difficult to prosecute him (completely wrong decision IMHO). This does not mean he was innocent.

AdamRyan
It has been taken seriously, the police have tried to prosecute but CPS have said there is insufficient evidence.

Jammydodger1981
But he is 'innocent until proven guilty'

I'm not saying its right - and CPS should send all cases like this to court as a victimless prosecution IMHO.

But can society just assume that he he must be guilty now?

To be fair I think it was taken seriously because he was charged, on quite a few different charges, which is something that doesn’t happen to most rape and assault charges. It is fairly clear that HR withdrew the charges and declined to act as a witness, which is a shame, though none of us know why - but can guess I think.

I think we need to have a system with rape and sexual assault like there is with domestic violence, when charges can be made, and then brought to court even if the victim withdraws from the case. I don’t know how they would do this, better forensic evidence, video interviews and victim statements accepted in court rather than someone having to testify I suppose. There would be huge protest because of course the cry would be “ malicious false accusations ruining mens lives”, but something has to be done to improve the conviction rates for rape and sexual assault.

When there is audio and visual evidence that is pretty conclusive that he doesn’t deny then yeah I think so. Harriet withdrawing her support for a conviction really is incredibly fortuitous for him…

There was sufficient evidence to charge him, which means the CPS believed there was enough evidence for a conviction, but a witness, assumed to be HR , withdrew their evidence, for some reason, and under the way it works not having your witness actually appearing in court and being torn to pieces by the prosecution means the case can’t proceed.

I just hope their child never sees the footage.

It's obvious he's done it! He hasn't denied it and nobody in their right mind would stay with somebody and have a child if they'd falsely accused them of domestic violence/rape and potentially ruined their whole career. You'd be running for the hills while trying to clear your name.

I don't think it helped that her dad at least didn't seem 100% supportive of her at the time with the statement he made.

It will be awful if he plays professionally again.

After my friend's rapist was convicted, the police informed her that he'd been acquitted of attempted rape just 7 weeks before he raped my friend.

I'd bet anyone a pound to a pinch of shit that he was guilty, but he got away with it and actually succeeded in raping someone the next time.

I still feel angry about it, and it was decades ago. She never got over it, either.

Agreed.

Audio recording is clear and really grim.

Regardless of the legal situation there is more than enough evidence there that this is not the behaviour of someone who should be playing football for Manchester United. Mason Greenwood would have never set foot on the training ground again when Fergie was in charge and the fact that the club have hidden behind "consulting with the women's team" is utterly spineless.

They mean the short videos Harriet did of her bloody face, saying "For anyone who wants to know what Mason Greenwood does to me".

viques
You can proceed to court without the victim and/or witness being there.
Its called a victimless prosecution or Evidence Led Prosecution (ELP)

You need other evidence to support the prosecution (initial calls, CCTV, first accounts, injuries etc).

The problem with forensics is that they are virtually useless if the suspect and victim were in a relationship at the time. (obviously it depends on the individual circumstances of the offence)

What's more likely: a woman is manipulated by her rich, famous and abusive partner into staying with him once she finds out she's pregnant, or a man who has been falsely accused of rape by his girlfriend decides to stay with her despite the lie?

Er, yes they would. Have you listened to the audio?

David Goodwillie has been chased out of multiple clubs by football fans. Also never convicted.

It's nothing to do with race and everything to do with him being a woman abusing piece of shit who should absolutely not be returning to a job in the public eye with young people looking up to them.

The message it sends out is horrific.