Mason Greenwood.

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I cannot believe that the charges have been dropped.

Anyone remember the audio recording?

He demanded she put her legs up.
“Mason stop, I don’t want to have sex.”
”I don’t give a fuck what you want.”

Charges dropped. I cannot believe it.

And you have proof that it's him on the tape? Could be anyone

I’ll treat him however I bloody well like, conviction or not.
I saw the pictures and heard the audio. So did you.
Being accused of attempted rape and domestic violence is not a protected characteristic and his employers have the right to act on an accusation regardless of conviction. It’s rare you see such a clear cut case of bringing an organisation into disrepute.
I hope they do act, promptly.

If he hasn’t denied it’s him, which he has not, why would you believe it’s anyone but him?

Unless you’re just a weasely rape apologist, of course?

He's a domestic abuser. There should be no prospect of any decent professional football team allowing him to play for them. I'm appalled by anyone endorsing his behaviour quite frankly.

Nowhere near the amount of women's lives that have been destroyed by their rapist getting away with it.

Approximately 1% of complaints lead to a conviction. You can't seriously believe the entire 99% are innocent.

Rape is decriminalised and men rape with impunity. Including footballers.

That poor baby, not the greatest start in life is it even if your daddy happens to be a millionaire.
I’ve heard the tape, if I was on the jury I’d have found him for attempted rape at the least.
Not tried or convicted doesn’t mean he’s a sweet innocent angel, he’s clearly an abuser like lots of men who never get done.
He certainly should not be in a position of celebrity and role model to young impressionable boys and men.
I hope Harriet has got lots of support around her, she’s more vulnerable than ever now.
What a mess, of all the men in the world she’s tied herself to this piece of shit, she’s too young to realise money don’t buy happiness or safety or dignity.
I understand they’ve been together a while since they were both very young so that probably makes it harder although as a pp pointed out, there are plenty women spoiling their lives to abusive bastards and some of them don’t have a penny to their names and won’t even work for it either. I don’t believe she’s sold out for money it’s way more complicated than that.

Not RTFT but even if he isn't a convicted rapist, he's almost definitely an absolutely disgusting person.

It's quite clear that Utd want to take him back, or the legalities/technicalities of releasing him are very difficult indeed. But they also know that there will be an enormous backlash if/when they do announce it. Wouldn't like to be the one making that decision.

If they keep him on, what a fucking message to send out the the female supporters. And the fucking naivety of one poster stating 'if there was enough evidence, the CPS would have tried him.' Men have literally admitted to rape and the CPS hasn't deemed that sufficient evidence.
I feel sorry for the baby. Not only is she/he going to grow up with a father who is abusive the mother, but imagine growing up and hearing that tape.

I'm sorry but that tape is utterly disgusting. No ifs or buts. She's his girlfriend, she calls him Mason, it sounds like him, and even he doesn't deny it's a recording of him.

What PPs are suggesting is that she got someone else to pretend they're Mason? You don't think he'd have brought legal proceedings or put out a public statement saying it wasn't him? Pull the other one.

Manchester United should take a stand and sell him. It would send the right message that violence against women shouldn't be tolerated. He'd be a massive distraction in any case, football fans are hardly known for their discretion and quiet behaviour.

All the glazers care about is money. If you want impact their decision making you're better off emailing their sponsors

He still hasn't been found guilty though. And innocent until proven guilty is the corner stone of justice.

Should Kevin Spacey be still 'kicked out' of Hollywood?
Should Cliff Richard still be seen as a sexually offender?

He still hasn't been found guilty though. And innocent until proven guilty is the corner stone of justice.

He hasn't been found guilty of rape in a criminal court, yes. I very much doubt many people listening to that tape think he's innocent of highly inappropriate behaviour at the very least.

He's clearly telling her to put up and shut up. He hasn't denied the tape is real. It's pretty damning as far as evidence goes. And that's before the bruises. If that's your version of innocence, that's your call but it's not mine.

It isn't about whether he's officially innocent or guilty tho. We have heard the recording, he has shown us who he is, and shown his fans, many young impressionable males. It's not good enough to say he wasn't found guilty. I certainly wouldn't be giving hundreds of pounds in shirts etc (over a child fan's life, say, of kitting out in club gear) to a team that plays and supports him. No way.

What does that have to do with any of this?

I can treat him however I want. There's no law saying I have to be nice about him.

Yes to Kevin Spacey - his behaviour was unprofessional at best

No to cliff Richard- a sex offender has a criminal record

The only person ruining Mason greenwood's life is mason greenwood

It’s not just the recording - which is awful empty. It’s the photos of the bruises, and the video of the busted lip that went with it.

He’s an abuser - end of

Despite there not being a criminal conviction, would the club not have a right to terminate based on conduct and reputational damage?

If not, this should be a lesson for other clubs as to how they word their contracts.

Correction - It’s the corner stone of the criminal justice system.
Innocent until proven guilty only applies to the legal process, not the general public. Guilty and Not Guilty are legal terms and they exist in shades of grey. Innocence doesn’t have any shades to it.

anyone who thinks he should go back to United, just watch the video and the transcript of what he said to her.

As much as I would love to see him banished from the sport that I love, I don’t see how they can do this when he hasn’t been convicted of anything. He’d take them to the cleaners. I agree with @MeadowCS that contracts need to be worded carefully to cover things like this

Truly disgusting. Made my blood run cold.

- a sex offender has a criminal record

Not every sex offender has a criminal record though. If person X commits a sexual offence today they are unlikely to get a criminal record for at least a few months. At the point of their conviction they don't suddenly commit the crime that makes them an offender, they did that months or years earlier. Jimmy Savile didn't have a criminal record for his countless sexual offences but few people wouldn't now consider him a sex offender.

Sorry, I was sloppy in my writing.
To call someone a sex offender would imply they have a criminal record or its defamation in my opinion. So I don't think CR should be referred to in that way.

I wonder how many apologists here would be eh ok with this piece of shit being left alone with their young daughters