Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

I agree safeplanet. On a personal level, the tax position of the Tories probably benefits me. However, I am v happy to pay more tax for better public services. I get way better value from that than I would from private healthcare etc

Because the opposition are even more unelectable. The last Labour manifesto promised to introduce self ID and to tax gardens.

This worries me too. It would probably finish us and I would never forgive that. I know they would not win here anyway though. My choice is between SNP and the Tories 😵‍💫

This isn't Big Brother, you don't vote parties out, you vote parties in. The Tories have won more votes than any other party in the last 4 general elections.

And BINGO was his name-o!

Because the opposition are so rubbish. Jeremy Corbyn was unelectable; Boris witters on about the huge majority he won at the last election, but I very much doubt that it would have been such a walkover for him if he hadn't been up against Jeremy. I've no idea who I will vote for next time, they all seem as useless as each other right now, and they've all got their snouts in the trough. The tories take the lead on being utterly out of touch (you do not need a food bank, you need to manage your money better) but the other lot worry me about the trans gender stuff. The last census revealed that 0.5% identified as trans, yet we are all supposed to jump through hoops for them, and the hoo ha about rapists changing gender so they can serve sentences in female prisons illustrates just how open to abuse the self ID nonsense is.

For those of you decrying traders asking for cash in hand, are you all actually saying "Nah, go on mate, charge me an extra 20% to cover the tax" or are you going along with it and paying cash?

I think its because people care mainly for themselves and their own loved ones. People care little for society. People want to buy advantage for their loved ones. This is normal. I have given my DS money for a house deposit. I don't give money to random young people.
People don't trust the state to look after their loved ones properly. If elderly relation needs a new hip, people want to be able to pay. People in general don't trust the state to do this in a timely fashion.
People reckon big government wastes money and doesn't do things properly. Same reason as gun ownership, which is equally bananas. People want to keep loved ones safe, and don't trust anyone else to do it.
Because of this I don't think 'arguements' like calling Tory voters fascists gammons or the such-like are ever helpful.
Any prospective new government will have to convince the electorate that they are financially frugal (which Labour are not great at) and that in return for more tax, they will make things like the NHS, social care work. Well they are a million miles from working anyone can see that. Most people have written the NHS and social care off, don't believe they can be made right and don't want to pay a bit more tax to see them still not working.
They prefer to make their own arrangements, or if thats not affordable take their chances, keep their money and hope they will never need help.

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This.

And what @MarshaBradyo said re labour.

Well done, excellent work!

The majority really don't care what goes on in prisons as news flash you don't have to go there unlike education, health and security. Saying you are going to defend prisoner rights isn't going to win a general election but doubling sentences and making conditions worse might.

Most people are happy to pay 20% less but we can't then complain about the Tories also being at the game just because they are richer than us.

I used to work in a political arena and have met a lot of politicians, this was over a decade ago though. For most of them it’s all about them, it’s irrelevant what party they belong to, mostly huge egoists, very few are genuine servants to the people.

Rightly or wrongly, Trans issues really aren't going to be a big decider at the next election.

Most people vote according to their wallets.

No point in voting with your wallet if all your rights and safeguards are stripped away. Trans issues will be one of the big deciders. And with the insanity slowly rolling back, there's no way that women will been taking a risk on that again. Too many years fighting for what had already been ours, until men decided they wanted in.

You keep saying trans issues, instead of women's rights issues or coerced speech issues? I'm not under the illusion that the latter issues will swing the political pendulum but it's an issue that extends beyond the tiny population of those with gender dysmorphia.

This is, fundamentally, a right-leaning country. Every now and again it votes left but normally as a reaction to whatever the Tories have been up to lately. The default is for the country to vote right.

This means the Tories always start from an easier spot than Labour, because most people already subscribe to those politics.

Well put. Anyway we’ll see it doesn’t take much to swing a politician’s favour - see Penny M and Ed M

@FourTeaFallOut

Whatever you call the topic, most people aren't too fussed.

@WendyAndClyde

I agree, there is not point in being richer if you're dead from lack of an ambulance.

It's not even something I would look at when looking at parties. Infact I would likely vote against a party who made a big deal out of it instead of talking about the important things like the massive debt or war in Ukraine. No doubt it will drop off the press radar in the next few days as the next round of teacher and NHS strike start

@FourTeaFallOut

Whatever you call the topic, most people aren't too fussed.

This could change though. Nicola Sturgeon has done some really sterling work bringing these issues to media attention.

It si the Tory voters (and apparently a white man of 50 who drives a mondeo )Labour need to persuade to change votes to win. Obviously Labour has not won since 2005 to the mere swing of the pendulum could get them in next time, very likely (sadly). That is one reason we Tories must not split the Tory vote by voting elsewhere otherwise Labour will be in and many of us will be much worse off.

What could Labour do to persuade me to change parties?
Abolish inheritance tax.
Have one flat tax of about 20% or even 33% combining NI and income tax (and no higher rates of tax) perhaps having a cap on annual tax too of say £200k per person.
Halve VAT rates
Much smaller state.

Halve my £4k+ council tax
Abolish stamp duty land tax entirely

I can't ever vote for someone who thinks a person with a penis is a woman.

Liz Truss tried that and what happened was mortgage rates soared..the 2022 equivalent of Mondeo man is a a 50 something homeowner in the red wall, perhaps working in trades. He has a mortgage and is upset that it spiked to unprecedented highs under Liz Truss

Ultimately we are beholden to the markets and if we cut tax, this means the markets lose confidence in our ability to meet our obligations. As it is, we are already running a streamlined state with very low access to healthcare. My DH and I are Londoners where all future earnings are now subject to 45% tax. We are also far from rich and we only bought property in 2019 with no cash help from parents plus need to pay for childcare (in danger of losing free hours and tax free childcare due to 100k threshold). but yet it would be much worse for us if someone like Rees Mogg gets in and slashes taxes as it would affect mortgaged households like ourselves.

*40% tax