Page 8 | Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

Thomasina79 · 2023-01-29T18:34:55+00:00

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

Dulra · 30/01/2023 10:11

As an outsider looking in and reading these comments I think you have had it bad for so long you do not realise it. Your politicians are getting away with so much and everyone seems so apathetic. In any other European country the tories would have been toast long ago. Why do you expect so little from your public representatives? Why do you let them away with scandal after scandal again and again? Why do you keep voting in ethonites and millionaires who have no idea how to run a country or what is needed for a well functioning society only how to line the pockets of the rich. Most of the responses are about me me me. Society needs a well functioning society that supports all, it's no good if it only benefits a few because we all suffer in the long run if that is the case. I guess you get what you deserve though

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 10:12

Xenia · 30/01/2023 09:51

It si the Tory voters (and apparently a white man of 50 who drives a mondeo )Labour need to persuade to change votes to win. Obviously Labour has not won since 2005 to the mere swing of the pendulum could get them in next time, very likely (sadly). That is one reason we Tories must not split the Tory vote by voting elsewhere otherwise Labour will be in and many of us will be much worse off.

What could Labour do to persuade me to change parties?
Abolish inheritance tax.
Have one flat tax of about 20% or even 33% combining NI and income tax (and no higher rates of tax) perhaps having a cap on annual tax too of say £200k per person.
Halve VAT rates
Much smaller state.

Halve my £4k+ council tax
Abolish stamp duty land tax entirely

It’s good to have a list but Labour are least likely to do this

Tories won’t get there either but closer on the taxes / small state if that’s what people are after

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:14

Grumpybutfunny · 29/01/2023 18:40

Labour isn't any better? Personably I don't want us to take on any further debit so will vote for the party trying to grow the economy and borrow less be that conservative, labour or Lib Dem. Personally I don't think any party looks after middle Britain anymore so a lot are forced to choose the lesser of two evils.

We are renovating a house and the number of trades that have asked for cash shows the level of tax avoidance in this country. It isn't just the wealthy. From my experience over the last year it's anyone not PAYE!! We got offered 3k off building an extension if we had 10k in cash, sure mate give me 5 minutes to move the mattress 😉😂🤣

The current Tories have (and continue) to borrow more than any government in history so your view of them as the party to cut "debit" is misplaced and fueled by incorrect propoganda.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:15

Dulra · 30/01/2023 10:11

As an outsider looking in and reading these comments I think you have had it bad for so long you do not realise it. Your politicians are getting away with so much and everyone seems so apathetic. In any other European country the tories would have been toast long ago. Why do you expect so little from your public representatives? Why do you let them away with scandal after scandal again and again? Why do you keep voting in ethonites and millionaires who have no idea how to run a country or what is needed for a well functioning society only how to line the pockets of the rich. Most of the responses are about me me me. Society needs a well functioning society that supports all, it's no good if it only benefits a few because we all suffer in the long run if that is the case. I guess you get what you deserve though

^This 100%

Frabbits · 30/01/2023 10:16

I do, of course, support the right for anyone to vote for the party they feel best represents them.

I will admit though, that after 13 years of this absolute shitshow I question the judgement and sanity of anyone who still thinks the tories should be allowed anywhere fucking near government.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:17

"Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again"
It's mainly due to our shit outdated electoral system, which like everything else in the shithole we can't change because we are special and have always done things in this shitty manner.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:20

Tories won’t get there either but closer on the taxes / small state if that’s what people are after
What a laugh - we have the highest tax rates since the 1940s under a TORY government - they are brilliant at pretending to be a low tax party but doing the exact fucking opposite.

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 10:21

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:20

Tories won’t get there either but closer on the taxes / small state if that’s what people are after
What a laugh - we have the highest tax rates since the 1940s under a TORY government - they are brilliant at pretending to be a low tax party but doing the exact fucking opposite.

You won’t get it under Labour.

It’s not what they stand for.

Tories will always aim to bring it down, inflation first though as pointless otherwise.

If inflation halves as predicted I’d say taxes would be a factor at next GE

Tekkentime · 30/01/2023 10:28

I think that calling people scum and fascist for any kind of 'wrongthink' makes people think right then I'll look after myself and my own.

Greentree1 · 30/01/2023 10:32

Do we remember Teflon Tony and weapons of mass destruction? Put me off Labour for a while, next election may be a landslide for labour, but be careful what you wish for.

ILoveShula · 30/01/2023 10:32

Because tortes are delicious.

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 30/01/2023 10:42

Tekkentime · 30/01/2023 10:28

I think that calling people scum and fascist for any kind of 'wrongthink' makes people think right then I'll look after myself and my own.

Well yes. Look at the language used on here against anyone who votes Conservative. Why would you want to have their party in power?

Their supporters seem to want actual retribution against the right. It’s like when Corbyn threatened a “day of reckoning” against bankers if he was elected, with a threat to confiscate our possessions.

Now he may just have been using “bankers” as another coded way to,say “Jews”, so maybe I’d have been spared, but to be honest whatever he meant, it’s not something that I could get behind.

labourlist.org/2017/05/corbyn-aims-for-populist-message-with-day-of-reckoning-for-dodgy-financiers/

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/01/2023 10:43

arethereanyleftatall · 29/01/2023 18:52

Because Keir doesn't know what a woman is. And the liberals are even worse. If they lie about that, and prioritise demands if men, what else are they lying about?

3 out of the last 4 Tory PMs don't know what a woman is.🙄 FFS Theresa May introduced the disastrous Self ID policy. The 4th, Liz Truss didn't know how the economy works.

They have destroyed the UK with their corruption, lies and incompetence. If you don't hate the Tories now, you will by the time of the next election.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:45

Xenia · 29/01/2023 20:11

Labour would be disastrous for this family from school fees to much higher taxes to "mansion" taxes and much else. It would be utterly dreadful. They hate the high earners who pay loads of taxes and they want me to be much worse off. They are terrible.

All sounds good to me - Labour it is then.

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 10:45

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 30/01/2023 10:42

Well yes. Look at the language used on here against anyone who votes Conservative. Why would you want to have their party in power?

Their supporters seem to want actual retribution against the right. It’s like when Corbyn threatened a “day of reckoning” against bankers if he was elected, with a threat to confiscate our possessions.

Now he may just have been using “bankers” as another coded way to,say “Jews”, so maybe I’d have been spared, but to be honest whatever he meant, it’s not something that I could get behind.

labourlist.org/2017/05/corbyn-aims-for-populist-message-with-day-of-reckoning-for-dodgy-financiers/

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Glad he lost as he did, woeful

FatSealSmugSoup · 30/01/2023 10:46

In a grown-up world people understand that people have different ideas for making a better society/country.

Some will wish for “ground root” development they can see with their own eyes - others will value an even monetary keel for the benefit of all.

Neither side is inherently right or wrong - and I doubt many of the self-serving cunts would want to be holding the baton right now.

Fwiw, I’m currently on keto and I’d love a chocolate torte… but jam tomorrow and all that. 😉

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:48

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 10:21

You won’t get it under Labour.

It’s not what they stand for.

Tories will always aim to bring it down, inflation first though as pointless otherwise.

If inflation halves as predicted I’d say taxes would be a factor at next GE

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If the Tories are aiming to bring down borrowing and taxes, they have had 13 years and taxes are moving to the highest level since the 40s and borrowing at an all time high?
What is the point of voting for them on the basis of small state/low tax etc when they have demonstrably done the exact opposite?
They are brilliant at lying about what they have or can do, that's all.

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 10:50

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:48

If the Tories are aiming to bring down borrowing and taxes, they have had 13 years and taxes are moving to the highest level since the 40s and borrowing at an all time high?
What is the point of voting for them on the basis of small state/low tax etc when they have demonstrably done the exact opposite?
They are brilliant at lying about what they have or can do, that's all.

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If you look at the cost of Covid and energy crisis it’s huge. I know people think Labour walk on water but not so much they could avoid high costs with two huge events.

Labour would have needed to pay - higher taxes or borrowing either way they couldn’t wish themselves out of pandemic and war.

WednesdaysNameIsFullOfWoe · 30/01/2023 10:52

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 10:48

If the Tories are aiming to bring down borrowing and taxes, they have had 13 years and taxes are moving to the highest level since the 40s and borrowing at an all time high?
What is the point of voting for them on the basis of small state/low tax etc when they have demonstrably done the exact opposite?
They are brilliant at lying about what they have or can do, that's all.

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It’s almost as though we’ve just been through a pandemic that nearly bankrupted the country.

RudsyFarmer · 30/01/2023 10:53

I can’t vote Labour. Their inability to crack down on the extreme element within the party just turns me off completely. I t don’t think much of Conservatives either so ether I’ll vote in the next election at all is doubtful. To hell with all of them quite honestly.

QuertyGirl · 30/01/2023 10:54

Tekkentime · 30/01/2023 10:28

I think that calling people scum and fascist for any kind of 'wrongthink' makes people think right then I'll look after myself and my own.

Labour have been described as "vermin" on this thread already

QuertyGirl · 30/01/2023 10:55

Dulra · 30/01/2023 10:11

As an outsider looking in and reading these comments I think you have had it bad for so long you do not realise it. Your politicians are getting away with so much and everyone seems so apathetic. In any other European country the tories would have been toast long ago. Why do you expect so little from your public representatives? Why do you let them away with scandal after scandal again and again? Why do you keep voting in ethonites and millionaires who have no idea how to run a country or what is needed for a well functioning society only how to line the pockets of the rich. Most of the responses are about me me me. Society needs a well functioning society that supports all, it's no good if it only benefits a few because we all suffer in the long run if that is the case. I guess you get what you deserve though

This x1000!

We've got used to things getting steadily worse.

Decline is now normal.

Neededanewuserhandle · 30/01/2023 11:02

Because the Conservatives traditionally believe in a small state.
About as much as they believe in honesty and financial propriety.

Even Thatcher presided over a massive explosion of Quangos. The overall burden of taxation both as a % of GDP and in overall cash rose during the Thatcher years.

Dulra · 30/01/2023 11:03

It’s almost as though we’ve just been through a pandemic that nearly bankrupted the country.

But why did it bankrupt the country? It didn't anywhere else and everywhere else has bounced back pretty well. It was because of Tory mismanagement and oh yeah Tory brexit but keep making excuses for them. Definiton of insanity doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result

MarshaBradyo · 30/01/2023 11:05

Dulra · 30/01/2023 11:03

It’s almost as though we’ve just been through a pandemic that nearly bankrupted the country.

But why did it bankrupt the country? It didn't anywhere else and everywhere else has bounced back pretty well. It was because of Tory mismanagement and oh yeah Tory brexit but keep making excuses for them. Definiton of insanity doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result

Would you have wanted Labour lockdowns which would have gone on for longer and Corbyn’s dubious position re Russia?

Did you vote for him out of interest