Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

I'vejust read that mad private school mum response to my post again. I don't want to vote labour to level everyone down, what a weird thing to say. Labour probably won't make "shit" schools shitter, will they? They'd invest in public services I expect. I don't know who I'll vote for yet but it won't be Tory... things are terrible right now in the UK and after 12 years of tories, I think we know why.

People are crazy.

Aspirational voting;
I'm not poor/wc/pleb because I vote tory like the rich folk do.
It's an odd way of thinking but the elites main strength has always been to make people vote against their best interests...use of right wing print media, disgusting campaign material (vote labour: get a n%%*#r for a neighbour etc), smearing labour (lefties, work shy, students etc) and now with the advent of unregulated SM I fear there's no hope tbh.
People seem utterly incapable of analysing data, asking questions, researching claims made by mps, media..

In 2019 the two alternative parties were one who were led by an alleged former IRA sympathiser and one who would cancel a referendum without a second one.

So enough people supported the one led by the misogynist who has used racist language.

Me too!

I haven't voted for the Tories but I have spoilt my ballot for the last couple of elections as I can't support any of the other parties at the moment.

It cannot be said enough how terrible a leader Corbyn was. He was never going to win a GE in a million years so why they made him leader is beyond me. He was literally manna from heaven for the Tory press, every negative stereotype about Labour/the left rolled into one.

It’s a myth that there are swathes of frothing gammon ‘Tory scum’ voters, despite what the Guardian readers think. The main reason that people probably err towards the Tory box on a ballot paper is because all the alternatives are just not credible.

Putting the gender issue to one side, there are just as many racist, fraudulent, misogynist and career politicians in the Labour Party. During the MPs expenses scandal - a hundred years ago now I know - but the labour MPs had their snouts in the trough just as much as the Tories. This is the litmus test that they hold no moral high ground - and yet they claim to. And claim to be for the poor and disenfranchised but they show no discernment, critical thinking or moral judgement for the greater good. So the hypocrisy, and inevitable disappointment, is actually greater with labour than the Tories.

The greens and Lib Dem’s are no better. Willing to throw girls and women under a bus just because of some bizarre societal fad based on total illogic. How can any of these parties claim to be credible when they deny actual reality? No one actually sticking to their core principals.

Except the Tories strangely. They say they are about the economy and wealth creation and that’s what they do. People know they’ll get shafted by politicians either way but at least with the Tories people know what they’re getting.

Hilarious typo in the thread title. 😂 Oh dear @Thomasina79

Except the Tories strangely. They say they are about the economy and wealth creation and that’s what they do. People know they’ll get shafted by politicians either way but at least with the Tories people know what they’re getting.

Pretty well sums up my rationale. I don't have an issue with people voting on the basis of self-interest, on the left or on the right.

Which is presumably why there's a correlation between income demographic and voting (my son's currently doing a politics degree and sent me a graph of the data they were analysing last week along similar lines).

This does seem to be the most likely reason.

There are a number of different reasons. MPs are elected locally and on a local level there maybe no viable options as the local Conservative MP get things done.

At the last general election Labour's choice for PM was not well-liked.

Because opposition parties stance on gender identity impacts women negatively.

There is no other moderately centre right party.

Labour criticises Tory policy but fail to show how they intend to finance their own policies. Better the devil you know.

Labour would be more electable if they dropped the moral high ground stuff and stuck to basic policies. People don't like to be preached to or called scum.

@flabdab not the way the tories run it, it's falling apart completely.

Obvs heading should have said Tories. Sorry!

100% this.

We finished a house renovation in 2019, and the majority of the trades wanted to be paid cash. It was actually pretty depressing to see how many different industries are blatantly trying to avoid paying tax on all of their earnings.

I also won’t vote Labour on the back of their proposal to add VAT to school fees. I pay plenty of tax as it is. It also worries me that they may introduce a wealth tax. We have a house in London and decent (but not huge) pensions. But given the amount we pay in school fees, don’t have tens of thousands in spare cash we could hand over in a wealth tax on our home and pensions.

edwin, I tried to see on the Labour website what the huge mansion tax would be on my London house (I suspect it would be £20,000 a year out of income taxed at at least 42% so up to about £40k of gross income) but of course they don't say. it is all kept up their sleeve until they get in power. It was Labour in the 1970s which put top rate tax up to 99% (83% income tax on earned income and about 15% on top for investment income).

I think Labour need to concentrate more on reforming and making the public sector more efficient instead of just raising taxes and allowing things to go on as they are. We already pay more than enough tax, the public sector is just run very badly so we don't get value for money at all.

Because of Labour’s misogyny, hatred of the middle class, attacks on private education, and general incompetence.

Yes the Tories are shit too.

And so are the Greens and the LibDems, both parties totally captured by trans activists with agendas I won’t vote for.

Despise all of them, but if there was an election tomorrow I’d probably vote Sunak in preference to Kier “some women have a penis” Starmer.

Back in 2019 the Lib Dem’s we’re offering a £10k education credit to all adults, more Sure Start Centres and to take us back into the EU (I voted out, but buy then, you could see it was getting messy).
That was enough for me. Not because I was going to use either of those services, but it just shows that they know that you need to invest at the bottom, if you want to bring everyone up.

Yep. Scaffolder quoted £2500 or £2000 in cash. Car Bodyshop quoted £1800 or £1500 cash. Garden fence repair £500 or £400 cash. Those three in last 3 months alone, all unsolicited and openly offered. Tax evasion is endemic now and HMRC are blind to it.

Lots of people don't vote Tory, but are unfortunate enough to live in a very safe Tory seat. I always make a point of voting anyway but I'll probably need to move before it counts

This. Labour come across as a student union nowadays.

You can’t nail down labour to anything the constant criticism yet when asked what they should do silence

I know the opposition job is to oppose but if tories invented the wheel labour would say it’s shit

they undermine themselves

I voted YABU, because the election is not free and equal in a first past the post system. The majority of voters keep voting the tories out, but the FPTP system does not translate the will of the people.