Why do people keep voting the tortes in again and again

[Thomasina79]

Not wanting an argument, just wondering. Another Tory has been dismissed for dishonesty and day after day we hear of stories about people having to choose between heating and eating. Surely people realise we need a change of government? The NHS and other support services such as teachers are on strike. What next?

@TooBigForMyBoots
Yes true but at least they are questioning it now and not openly allowing bullying of (female) dissenting voices. Have you seen that awful video in HoC?

Having said that, if Bojo gets back in, in some shape or form, I can’t vote Tory.

In general I believe it is because:

they think the other options are incompetent in a worse way than the Tories,

and because the Labour Party has lost too much of it's constituency to make winning enough seats likely - particularly Scotland, but also they have really alienated themselves from working people.

People might, for pragmatic reasons, vote for someone who they believe to be corrupt. They are unlikely to vote for a person they believes despises them.

Everyone is it questioning now following what has happened in Scotland. The fact remains that this Trans shitshow happened under and because of the Tories and I am tired of being gaslit by their lies and refusal to take responsibility.🤬🤬🤬

Their very pathetic reverse ferret isn't enough. The Tories no more "know what a woman is" than any other party.🙄 They have systematically destroyed women's rights since 2010 and they aren't stopping.

They think the other options are incompetent in a worse way than the Tories

I think most people have copped on by now. Those who haven't, will over the next 2 years as our decline worsens. The Tories have broke the country.

There are more issues than TWAW to consider, the state of the NHS, Police, Education, Housing, the Welfare State & the economy are massive issues that if they don't get the funding & increased staffing they need then we really will be stuffed.

I have voted Tory in the past, though not at every election.

It is hard to choose between the parties as they all have policies I strongly disagree with.

I'd like a box that says "more options please".

What are you on? Where do you get this crap? You are so deluded with your left wing dogma that you can’t see the wood for the trees. Critical social justice has been bleeding into the mainstream since the 90s. it’s left wing communist diatribe dressed up as ‘be kind’.

There is always a thread about the conservatives like this, aimed at stoking tension rather than having a civilised debate. ‘i don’t want an argument but how can anyone vote Tory at the next election?’ They ask innocently while a group activists wait on the wings getting ready to dive on.

so many that this time the OP can’t even be buttered to spell check the title.

Facts:

when it comes to economic policy there’s barely a hairs width between Tory and labour so I don’t know what radical difference you think starmer will make to taxes and distribution of wealth. Inflation is likely to go up under labour and we’ll probably be poorer.

Brexit is not a Tory policy, they just instigated the referendum. No party if they have any sense will try and overturn it because that would be a breach of democratic power. But of course democracy has no home with the extreme left the likes of which are infiltrating mumsnet.

this is one of the most socialist governments we have had in power ever so all this hard right talk just exposes you all as the extremists you are.

No matter what the tories did you’d be on here having this argument as it’s a tactic that left wing activists are deploying to push their agendas.

power and oppression narrative
exploit grievances
bring down the heteronormative

people are waking up.

Oh and if any genuine non activist MNers are looking for a rational political debate and don’t believe me then just put ‘Tory’ into the search field and see the sustained campaign that they have put in motion. These are campaigners, not innocent posters looking for discourse. There is not one positive or balanced Tory post - not one.

We see you!!

your tactics to gaslight and make the simple complicated and make the complicated simple is a tactic to confuse.

OK I'll be honest. I stand to lose a lot of money if Labour get in. I will still vote for them. So will my friends in the same boat as me. The people insisting on still voting Tory are all progressively much worse off over the past 13 years. I don't know anyone who doesn't think Corbyn (so left leaning it made most of us think twice to be honest again) couldn't possibly have done a worse job than the Tories have. Mostly because the Tories HAVE buggered up immensely (Truss anyone????). Any comments on Labour are based on the 1970's. Not today. Comments on the Tories are based on recent fact. I don't remember the noughties been so tough under the last labour Government. Unless you want to blame them for global financial meltdown and ignore that we're the only major economy in currently in negative growth - under the Tories.

Here you go.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

Thanks @LiquoriceAllsort2 . The Algarve is a bit too hot, but a minimum income of €24k or about £22k is possible.

When there's an election I vote for the people I think will be least appalling. In 2019 I spoilt my ballot because they were all equally shit. Previously I voted Tory because of the damage Labour did under the Brown/Blair years - most of our problems today are rooted in their policies.

I think that's why people vote Tory actually - the Tories have done a consistently terrible job of cleaning up Labour's mess. But the solution isn't allow Labour back in to fuck things up even worse. If you're cleaning dog shit off of a carpet you and are basically just spreading it around rather than cleaning it, the solution isn't to feed the dog laxatives and get it to lay some fresh turds on the carpet in the hope it masks the previous stain.

Terryscombover
Any comments on Labour are based on the 1970's
I don't remember the noughties been so tough under the last labour Government. Unless you want to blame them for global financial meltdown

I posted this comparison yesterday afternoon; ...the headlines for January 2009 and January 2023 look remarkably similar to me: If it was a global financial meltdown (similar to Covid/Ukraine War) why did the IMF forecast Britain's economy would be 'the hardest hit in the developed world' under a Labour government in 2009?

28 Jan 2009
Britain's economy will be the hardest hit in the developed world in what is expected to be the "deepest recession since the second world war," the International Monetary Fund said today.

www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jan/28/ilo-global-unemployment-to-soar

we're the only major economy currently in negative growth

30 Jan 2023
New official data showed German GDP fell by 0.2% in the October-December period, worse than expected, as the energy crisis and higher interest rates hit growth.

www.theguardian.com/business/live/2023/jan/30/central-banks-interest-rates-ryanair-profits-surge-germany-economy-business-live

13 Jan 2023
UK economy beats expectations with November growth

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64238309

For about a few days under Liz Truss there were policies I support (and no, I have no problems with the free market tanking the pound - that fine - it should have been left to do its work). However even the socialist high tax current Tories are better than Labour so we are where we are.

The main aim at present is to ensure the Tory vote is not split and to keep Tory voters voting Tory.

28 January 2009 link;
www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jan/28/ilo-global-unemployment-to-soar

I don't see much evidence that any of the other parties are likely to be more competent. They can't even figure out how to get elected, how to avoid publicly showing how much they dislike the plebs, or how to have a discussion about important issues. They are very likely to be quite shit too.

Oh the fucking guardian. Typical. The purveyors of CSJ and at the centre of driving the power and oppression narrative.

just like MN the guardian is built on extreme left wing ideology.

If you sign up to their version of utopia then you really have left the centre ground of politics.

The issue is Labour. They've had a prime period to win over voters for years now. And they've done absolutely nothing. They've had 2 leaders who voters didn't relate to or even find an attractive candidate.

They come across like they can't be bothered. The last Labour leader I remember creating any buzz was Tony Blair!

All your sources are biased extreme left wing. Trying to pin CSJ on conservatives is a complete joke because LBC and The Guardian are both jokes.

The tories have been shameful in not coming out and denouncing CSJ as what it is. They are cowards. But not as much as ALL the other parties who promoted it and vilified any denounces.

you can’t pin it on the Tories this time.

CSJ is driven by Queer Theory. Stonewall, BLM, Mermaids they are all in it together. It’s all tied up in the same ideology, which has its roots going back to 1950s USA.

And the little lefty foot soldiers are all over the internet spreading it. Including here.

Calling people ‘stupid’
Telling them to ‘get educated’
‘You’re either with us, or against us’
crying over ‘microaggressions’
Peddling grievance
turning the average man and woman into ‘the enemy’
Weaponising compassion

wake up people.

Horseshoe politics is real.

From the horse’s mouth.

www.gov.uk/government/news/government-announces-plans-to-reform-process-of-changing-legal-gender

As I said a blossom, the roots of it all are left.

I think the Torirs are crap. But they are less crap than all the others.

so, in response to the original post (which isn’t even a real AIBU by the way but put here by the activists to get as much argument and exposure as possible and to wheedle out the evil Tory voters so that they can be publicly shamed and turned on) that people have NOT lost their minds if they plan to vote Tory in the next election because they are the best of a bad bunch.

give me a proper alternative and I will vote for it.

give me Keir Starmer publicly putting to death extreme communist ideology that presents itself under a cloak of the ‘be kind’ movement and I will vote for him.

get sturgeon out.

get the greens back saving the planet.

until then I’ll vote Tory.

It was a Tory policy but “the roots of it are all left” when presented with a source even the most ardent Tory couldn’t accuse of bias. There’s no point even trying, is there? You can’t debate with senseless.

It's utterly bizarre that so many claim they have to vote for the tories becuase only tories "know what a woman is" despite 12 years of actions showing this is not the case.

Anyone who votes tory at the next election based on the idea that they are protecting women are actually doing the exact opposite as tory policies inevitably screw women far more than men.

If you genuinely care about protecting women's rights you should never vote tory. If you feel labour, lib dems, snp, greens, etc aren't doing enough for women, or that their stance should be changed, join the fucking party and change them from within, don't put a bunch of money obsessed elitist hell bent on asset stripping the country and making life shitter for everyone but themselves back in power.

Are you even READING what I say?

you just prove that when faced with any challenge the default left wing response is ‘you’re an idiot’ .

I’ve just predicted it would come to this in my post below.

go and join the herd and report back in ten years when we’re all in a totalitarian left wing nightmare thanks to the likes of the queer ideology nutters who cannot handle an alternative view.