Beauty students asked to strip in front of trans rapist at college AFTER sex attacks

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My AIBU title taken from this news article:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beauty-students-asked-strip-front-29063499

This whole 'Isla Bryson' cluster-fuck has me angrier than I can describe.

These girls had to accept and trust this vile individual in their beauty course on the basis of Isla's claim to be a woman, nothing more. They even tolerated abuse from Isla.

They were not told this individual was facing charges of rape. The college claim they didn't know either. Because 'Isla' said he was a women, these young women felt they had no choice but to strip to virtually naked in front of him. Failing to do so would be 'bigoted'.

But he also happens to be a serial rapist. Young women, some possibly aged 16 or so, stripping to virtually naked while a serial rapist watches. If this was my daughter I would be going mad.

Where is the safeguarding?

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

It's so depressing. What's the point in having a group for women if a bloke can just give himself a woman's name and join? Perhaps there are other members who agree and just daren't say so, in woke crazy Sturgeonland.

AIBU to feel viscerally angry with all our politicians about this?

Me too. It's the politicians, rather than the rapist/abusers that I am really angry with. They have created a culture, and in some cases laws, which facilitate and enable abusers, and then gaslight the victims by saying this abuse doesn't/didn't happen.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-arrested-over-missing-scots-29159271

So so relieved this girl was found alive and "well". What an ordeal for the poor thing.

The bad news for sturgeon continues.

So furious that women's concerns were dismissed as "not valid" and look at what's happening. Imagine this predator in the shower next to our daughters.

What @DuesToTheDirt said. How the people have been let down.

At least they are referring to him as a man, and have mentioned his "trans" identity and both his real and adopted names.

Wait for his trial, though, when his "struggles with his female identity" will br put forward as an excuse to try to dismiss any charges.

Most likely viper because he is only part time in ‘woman’ identity.

However, so glad this girl was found.

And it is yet another significant event for Nicola Sturgeon and those who pushed extended the reforms too far. If this man goes to court, will he also be permanently in woman identity?

And is abducting a child to be considered ok then for that male to go to a female prison, when he clearly has a fetish?

He’ll probably claim it was society’s non recognition of this right to be a mother - see in Monty Pythons Life of Brian.

The College didn't know there were rape charges They didn't force young women to strip in front of a rapist Stop being inflammatory

They knew full well he was a MAN, and they forced young women to strip in front of him.

NOT OKAY.

So the young women felt they had every opportunity, with absolutely no negative repercussions, to not be in a state of undress in front of this person?

After all the reports of what they did in class, how they accused people of transphobia, you come here and say this?

Either you have no concept of coercive forces or you know, but wish to keep repeating your bad faith interpretation.

Whatever happened to listen to women state where their boundaries are? Oh that is right. It was a make believe time.

No they didn’t because they didn’t ask.

That in itself is bad enough but then to coerce these girls to undress in front of a man is unforgivable.

I think we need a nationwide campaign for universities and colleges to reinstate the pre enrolment questions about previous convictions. (Obviously they need to include current charges to catch Adam in that screening)

It turns out that prior to 2018, in order to improve safeguarding on campus, universities and colleges asked prospective students about any criminal convictions. This seems like a really good way of trying to ensure that young girls, many who have just left home and are more vulnerable are less likely to fall prey to predatory men.

Inexplicably, in 2018, UCAS removed this requirement. This was discovered as part of the trial where a female student was raped at university by a man who was then suspended but while awaiting trial, he was allowed to enrol at another university.

I can’t see any reasoning for this rule change other then to make things easier for rapists - I realise that is something some people in power are keen on but it is not good for women.

@RichardBarrister

disgraceful

Maybe not. But they did allow this👇to.

They didn't know he was a rapist. But they did know he was a man and they did know that men rape women, and they did know that grown adult men in a room full of naked or near naked 16 /18 year olds wouldn't happen if he'd turned up as Adam.

There is no denying that even when dressed up that man is a man.

This is where if they say they are a woman they are a woman gets you.

You've got the script wrong. Even the NHS know what informed vs coerced consent is. That's not up for question.

The thing that makes it ok for rapey dick to be with the young girls (and according to the NHS, men to be in female wards) is his innate womanliness.

The issue is compounded by the narrative of 'deadnaming'. So asking a student for their previous names may well net a null result.

Those who are declaring that this is 'inflammatory' and 'no one forced these girls' need to take responsibility for how their own assertions and attempts to shame women from discussing this play out in wider society.

Do those posters honestly not understand the coercive nature of this kind of twisted posting? Let me make it clear.

YES THESE YOUNG WOMEN WERE ABSOLUTELY FORCED TO BE NAKED WITH THIS MALE!!!!

BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP TELLING THEM TO SUCK UP THEIR DISCOMFORT.

BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP TELLING OUR DAUGHTERS THEY SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE NAKED IN FRONT OF ANY FUCKING MALE WHO SAYS THEY ARE WOMEN!

So, instead of telling us to stop being inflammatory, STOP ADDING TO THE VOICES TELLING YOUNG WOMEN TO SUCK UP THEIR DISCOMFORT AND THAT THEIR DISCOMFORT COMES FROM HATE!!

The college may not have known (cos they didnt ask) but they absolutely forced those girls to strip in front of a rapist

law of unintended consequences and all that

They forced young women to strip in front of a many.

Stop being disingenuous.

*man

'Twas ever thus.

That's shocking!

Yes, imagine being a young woman who expected to be punished for stating they didn't want to do this (either by this male yelling and reporting as we have seen that this male did do to others or by a college who had strict 'males are treated as women every time they say they are) or expected to fail that unit by acting on their discomfort and staying away.

Oh. no.... @THEDEACON doesn't recognise this as coercive. Deacon must think that this should be the case. Those hateful, hateful young women - of course they had a choice! That is the only conclusion I can draw Deacon from your post. If you honestly did not think that post through, maybe you will next time.

Isla Bryson the transgender rapist had a fine old time accusing people on the course of being transphobic. Apparently she made two staff members cry.

But you think young girls would have felt totally OK refusing to undress in front of aggressive Isla with her face tattoos and muscles on the grounds that 'she' is a biological male. That would go down really well, wouldn't it?

Right.

Get in the sea, you twit.

Yes quite. They absolutely FAILED in their duty of care towards those girls/women.

Oh don't be so silly.

Yes. They did force those women to strip in front of a rapist.

"Get your kit off in front of this creepy man who is insisting he has all these legal rights to make you do it and punish you for saying no"

"But I don't want to, I don't consent to this, I am very unhappy about this, I am excluded by this."

"He does not yet have a conviction of rape."

"Oh great! Yes! All my problems with the bloke are magically fixed!" (Rips off clothes.)