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Out of date Kyiv

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hadntbeen · 21/01/2023 13:46

I have a chicken Kyiv that I was planning to eat tonight for dinner, however, just noticed the date on it is 20th of January. Is this still okay to eat or should I bin?

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yousmellnice · 21/01/2023 18:43

Ludo19 · 21/01/2023 18:40

Oh god I LOVE chicken Kiev! Unfortunately I'm now severely allergic to garlic, so just on here for descriptions and hopefully photos 😃

OH YOU POOR THING!

Coffeecreme · 21/01/2023 18:47

i dont think i have ever had chicken kiev.

Flapjackquack · 21/01/2023 18:47

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 18:38

I think that worry about the names and pronunciations of things is quite a British thing, in my observation anyway. I was always a bit amused by the pains the BBC go to spitting in their throats to say Macron Frenchly (but with the emphasis wrong) while France24 called Boris Johnson, "BoreezhonSON". And the Russian media call Biden "Yosip Baydin".

I think there is a difference in pronouncing foreign words in English, and continuing to use place names that were imposed by colonialists or where countries have made a point to change those names. Like Kolkata for example, yes it’s still an anglicised version of the Bengali name but there has been an official change from Calcutta and it’s easy to respect that.

yousmellnice · 21/01/2023 18:47

Coffeecreme · 21/01/2023 18:47

i dont think i have ever had chicken kiev.

Try a nice one from sainsburys or something

topcat2014 · 21/01/2023 18:48

Frozen food never goes out of date :)

ricepuddin · 21/01/2023 18:50

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 18:38

I think that worry about the names and pronunciations of things is quite a British thing, in my observation anyway. I was always a bit amused by the pains the BBC go to spitting in their throats to say Macron Frenchly (but with the emphasis wrong) while France24 called Boris Johnson, "BoreezhonSON". And the Russian media call Biden "Yosip Baydin".

I think the different spellings/pronunciations of Macron and Johnson are a bit less politicised than that of an occupied capital whose name its displaced inhabitants feel strongly about :) Fair enough if you don't personally care, but it's 2 different things

Bohemond · 21/01/2023 18:51

I’ve just fed my 8 year old poached salmon with a use by of 16th. It was vac packed, smells fine and tasted fine. And yes to Kyivs.

britneybitch23 · 21/01/2023 18:54

EmpressOfTheSofa · 21/01/2023 13:57

We are NOT calling chicken kiev ‘chicken Kyiv’. That is wankery supreme. Stop.

I've noticed it's changed in M&S. I had no idea why!!!

MajorCarolDanvers · 21/01/2023 19:04

I wouldn't eat out of date meat unless it had been frozen.

JassyRadlett · 21/01/2023 19:06

Flapjackquack · 21/01/2023 16:37

It means saying things to make yourself look good rather than because you actually care.

I can’t speak for @JassyRadlett - but I read their comment to mean that it’s reached a point where those shouting “virtue signalling” do so as a way of saying “Look at me, I am beyond such petty matters of what is/isn’t offensive” - which in itself is sort of an odd form of virtue signalling.

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Spot on. Speak for me any time.

People have made a collective virtue of a shared value of 'calling out' and despising such behaviour/statements, and delight in broadcasting it.

The fact they don't recognise it as such makes it particularly analogous, and also particularly enjoyable as a bystander.

piedbeauty · 21/01/2023 19:09

EmpressOfTheSofa · 21/01/2023 13:57

We are NOT calling chicken kiev ‘chicken Kyiv’. That is wankery supreme. Stop.

That's how Kyiv is spelled in Ukrainian. Why wouldn't you move with the times and change it?

piedbeauty · 21/01/2023 19:11

EmpressOfTheSofa · 21/01/2023 14:03

I’d better start singing songs from Miss Hoh Chi Min City and drinking Mumbai Sapphire with my tonic then.

Perhaps your username is no coincidence! Longing for the good old days of Empire, what? When Britain ruled the waves and we kept Johnny Foreigner in his place?! 🙄

midsomermurderess · 21/01/2023 19:14

piedbeauty · 21/01/2023 19:11

Perhaps your username is no coincidence! Longing for the good old days of Empire, what? When Britain ruled the waves and we kept Johnny Foreigner in his place?! 🙄

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Oh for the love of God.

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 19:14

Unless I have missed something, I don't believe that Kyiv is occupied!

I got no issue with spelling Kiyiv, Kiev, Kyiv, Kiyev (etc) and I agree it's nice to do it in the way that the people of that country generally refer to it. But (a) I don't believe that the name of a Western version of a generic East European way of preparing meat is necessarily intertwined with that; (b) it's not hypocritical to point out that there are plenty of acceptable Anglicised versions of place names (Paris, Rome, Moscow, Warsaw, Kabul...); (c) there are plenty of Ukrainians who don't actually speak Ukrainian as their lingua franca, or at all, who can feel a little dislocated in the current situation - particularly if a lot of people from other countries start insisting that all Russian words are bad.

As for the chicken, I don't eat meat, but I did eat a soya Kyiv that was a week out of date the other day and I'm still alive and it tasted fine. Might be more of a risk with meat though. If in doubt, I'd not risk, but I reckon that a day after it ought to be okay (especially if still packaged).

Flapjackquack · 21/01/2023 19:25

Well they are being bombed relentlessly @Jourdain11 so I think we can substitute occupied there and still understand why it may be a sensitive issue. Ukrainian is the majority language in Kyiv by some way.

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 19:31

Did I say it wasn't?

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 19:33

And I still am not convinced that anyone in Ukrainian, occupied or otherwise, Ukrainian-speaking or nor, is that concerned about what M&S call their ready-made meat products!

Flapjackquack · 21/01/2023 19:41

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 19:33

And I still am not convinced that anyone in Ukrainian, occupied or otherwise, Ukrainian-speaking or nor, is that concerned about what M&S call their ready-made meat products!

Neither do I, but they understandably seem to care about what the capital of their country is called around the world, and it’s an easy thing to respect without it being called virtue signalling.

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 19:43

I never called it virtue-signalling!

JackieDaws · 21/01/2023 19:46

No I can't understand why everyone thinks Mumsnet is fucking crackers either.

HelloJan · 21/01/2023 19:58

If it looks and smells fine - it's fine to eat it. You're gonna cook it at high temperature anyway, so I think it's safe.

Jourdain11 · 21/01/2023 20:00

Ha, no.

I do get irritated by the anti-Russian-ness that pro-Ukraine-ness lapses into sometimes, I'll confess. I also feel like the UK should generally be cautious of excessive interventionism (fwiw, Putin used Iraq as a key example of Western/NATO expansionist and anti-democratic tendencies in justifying the "Special Military Operation") but my uninformed gut feeling would be that they have a correct balance on this occasion.

^^ None of the above relevant to the safety of consuming meat after use-by date.

EmpressOfTheSofa · 21/01/2023 20:26

piedbeauty · 21/01/2023 19:11

Perhaps your username is no coincidence! Longing for the good old days of Empire, what? When Britain ruled the waves and we kept Johnny Foreigner in his place?! 🙄

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Amazing! 🎉

EmpressOfTheSofa · 21/01/2023 20:32

So chicken Київ instead of chicken Киев. Both roughly translate to Keeve/Keyev/Kiev/Kyiv to English ears, right?

That’ll put a stop to Putin’s war I’m sure.

yousmellnice · 21/01/2023 20:34

This thread is so mumsnet