Tories aren’t even bothering to hide their NHS privatisation plan anymore

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I think it was possible Noam Chomsky who said that the route to all privatisation of services was that first they run it totally into the ground and then they offer up a private model as a solution . It’s actually tedious in its predictability. Pillaging everything good from the country- Royal Mail, water, utilities, rail network, even housing via private landlords - everything to make profit.

And of course as predicted, the NHS was the final prize.

Really? My friend lives in wales and her experiences are worse than mine in a northern city.

I'm not big into politics so I dont profess to read everything Hunt and Sunak have said. I've read opinion pieces of what people who don't like the Tories want the electorate to believe. They might be right. I don't know.

But I'm happy to be educated. Show me the proposal, white paper, manifesto promise, even article, anything, written by Hunt or Sunak that says they want the US health system to be copied and implemented in the UK, replacing the NHS.

@MarshaBradyo

Most payers know they are lower users already.

what does that mean. My aunt thinks she's paid for her treatment, all my older relatives do. They haven't at all!

People voted for Brexit.

People will still vote for the Tories & an American system because they think people should all pay their way, if they can so can others.

Many bits of the NHS have already been privatised, and are therefore costing us/the NHS more than they would have had they still been under NHS control

This is not true. There are no more privatised " bits" of the NHS than there were 20 years ago, and you obviously don' t know the costs involved in running an NHS service. Often privately run services operated more efficiently and and are less cost to the NHS than if provided internally.

And cast your minds back to those halcyon days of 2010, when waiting lists were shorter, ambulances arrived within 13 minutes, doctor's appointments could be arranged easily, there were plenty of beds available in hospitals.

And then tell me that Labour's plans are worse than the Tories...

But she sounds like she’s not in the low user group

I agree that social care is a problem but at the same time it seems to me that social care and healthcare are both bottomless pits.
If it is free then there is no incentive for people to look after their own health, then again many people are too stressed and improverished to be able to look after their own health and as a modern liberal democracy we cannot allow people to fall into abject poverty....except it seems like often we do 😐

In other words, people are stupid...

I would be pleased if they had better plans than what us proposed as in many ways they have an open door on it.

But no there’s no point judging what will happen by the past.

I live in safe Tory seat. Most of my friends are or probably will be Tories. I have never heard one single person ever say they want the US healthcare system implemented here. Where are all these people who voted Tory at the last election saying that they want the US healthcare system?

But she sounds like she’s not in the low user group

she's not as she's is in her 70s.

Plenty of payers aren't low users when you look at maternity costs.

In other words, people are stupid...

pretty much

What do you want to happen?

Funny how Sunak's plans only seem to involve consulting with private healthcare providers...

The American system is happening already. I have relatives & colleagues that have paid to go private because the waiting time is too long. DH just went private because it was a small issue he wanted sorted asap.

Just saw this. I agree with pp the US system is not generally wanted even by Tory voters.

What do you want to happen?

with regards to the NHS? you go first

What happens though if not enough people want to work for the NHS? You can’t force people to join.
I know I’m playing devils advocate here, but seriously if a new generation of people don’t want to enter into nursing for example, what happens to us all ?

The NHS cannot carry on as it is. It wasn’t founded with the idea of half the population being obese, half having MH issues and most living into 80s and 90s and needing years of social care as they fade out. It was designed for a time when people just needed medical care and then dropped dead at the age of 75.

Either we have a huge personal responsibility drive, and stop treating people’s lifestyle choices and laziness as a medical issue, or it goes private or partially privatised. There’s no way around it.

Why so reluctant, it’s not a trick question

I’d look at social care as a priority and population health / personal responsibility

This is it. There simply aren’t enough medical staff to offer the level of ‘support’ demanded for every last little thing on here. Not because of lack of funding etc, but because to meet this demand something like a fifth of people would have to work in the medical or care system and this simply can’t happen - it’s totally unsustainable and would mean our country runs solely to prop up the NHS.

Good, it’s about time, should have happened years ago. Healthcare is abysmal in this country. People should be paying for the services they use and not through taxation.

Also time for the British public to let go of the NHS as a scared cow. It’s a service and it’s not fit for purpose.

I don't want to be treated or cared for by people who think they are doing me a favour. I certainly am not going to be grateful for poor care, delivered rudely, addressed as though I'm the least important stakeholder and put up with it.

What an absolute load of drivel!