To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

[BarmyBrunhilde]

Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

Oh we will and we're delighted for the opportunity. Thank you!!!

Totally agree, I think there are more of us than many realise.

Did you not know 'Penis Uber Allles' ?
The majority of the transgender people keep theirs.

I've only governments acted as fast to protect the rights of women and girls, it would be transformative.

How does the GRA impact this? If you suspect a woman as trans was previously asked for a GRC?

The more I read things like this the more I think ID cards are the way forward.

More examples of the impact of self ID.

It will never happen - resource thread. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

I don't see what any of this has to do with Scottish GRR - use of single sex spaces is not contingent on GRC for the most part.

thepostmillennial.com/andy-ngo-reports-social-media-uproar-over-cross-dressing-model-who-exposes-privates-in-public-spaces

There is also an opposite argument. If GRC changes nothing.

Why is it important to change it at all?

I don't see what any of this has to do with Scottish GRR - use of single sex spaces is not contingent on GRC for the most part.

Your first post didn't mention the Scottish GRR either. So what Has this got to do with the Scottish GRR?

Look forward to this person showering beside your daughters.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4195cc10-9784-11ed-a130-baced48eb788?shareToken=d125b46edc7b1d65f37bee8b74856ad8

It doesn't change nothing - it changes nothing for women, but it changes something for trans people (the right to use the right vows, privacy protections and to be recorded correctly at death)

Why it taxpayers money, politicians time and energy being put into changing GRC if there is nothing to be gained and there is no real impact or that change?

Laws aren’t there to be changed just to make a group feel better!

It doesn't change nothing

Double negative. Meaningless.

it changes nothing for women, but it changes something for trans people

What is a trans person? Please define trans.

I was specifically referencing birth certificates if you actually read my post - the only recent legal change re trans people in the UK is the Scottish GRR, hence my post finding the overreaction totally bizarre after doing research with regards to the actual bill. Unless of course there's some other legal changes coming up you have to show?

It's not dignified when people assume I have a gender identity. I don't. Most women don't. But tw need to pretend we do in order to 'feel like a woman'. Despite my lack of gender identity, I am still oppressed. To make protections only available to that tiny minority of people who have a gender identity and leave the rest of us to suffer is absolutely funking shit. I don't believe that anyone who abandons most females in this way is a feminist.

Recorded directly at death… you say.

Remember my post on data and statistics? And you said it wouldn’t change anything? Like, you know, accurate recording of sex at death? Which is quite important for things like, you know health data and which sex is affected most by which disease for you know… treatment and petty stuff like that?

Oh the irony…

Every workplace asks to see a copy of your passport for right to work in the UK. IF passport shows a different gender then a GRC produced and discrepancy created. On the payroll as female.

Or you apply for a new passport. They accept GRC to change sex on passport.

Every job required evidence of right to work in the UK and this is either a birth certificate or passport.

I was specifically referencing birth certificates if you actually read my post

Why are you advocating for people falsifying sex on their birth cerficates?

Why would that ever be necessary?

Thats like saying why have gay marriage when we have civil partnership! If trans people experience dysphoria, surely they should be able to use gender appropriate vows and have their transitioned gender on their death certificate? The cost is surely minimal overall.

Interestingly, before the narrative became "marriage and death certificates only!" Trans advocates were very clear that a GRC holder must be treated as a woman in single sex spaces.

It's gone a bit quiet just now (even after a Scottish court case which seemed to confirm their view), but I suspect that may change if GRR eventually passes.

I still don't see why trans identified people even need to record their gender identity anywhere at all. The state doesn't ask me whether I feel any gender identity, so why should someone specifically come forward and state theirs?

We don't need any single-gender-identity spaces, there is no practical reason to divide people by their feelings.
We need single sex spaces, meaning places where male people don't try to join female people, no matter how anyone identify/feels/pronounces themselves.

It is really important that accurate information is recorded at death, sex being absolutely critical. Death certificates are not about ‘hurting people’s feelings’ they are about DATA, STATISTICS and being able to make accurate good decisions on things like TREATMENT, DISEASE PREVENTION…

Passport can be changed independently of GRC already, the two are not related gic.nhs.uk/info-support/changing-your-passport/

Agree but what the fuck is gender?
What is gender identity?

How does a person know if they have one?

Why is it necessary to falsify sex on passports if you have one?