To object to having to call a man accused of rape 'she' in a criminal court trial?

[Appalonia]

Firstly, the definition of rape is penetration by a penis without consent. Only men have a penis. This case makes a mockery of the law and the criminal justice process and is a gross victimisation of this victim?
www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/23259685.clydebank-court-hears-woman-raped-clydebank-home/?ref=twtrec

I don't know how much voluntary work you have done in prisons. I spent eight years running weekend workshops in my local prison for the Alternatives to Violence Project. No women in the women's unit of the prison I worked in were there for sex offences, and this was a prison with a specialist sex offender unit (full of men). Not many were there for violent offences - most women in prison are there for offences relating to drugs or theft. The women there for murder were usually women who had killed a violent partner and one woman who had killed her baby, who was pretty much shunned by the other women. This is a different league to violent double rapist Isla Bryson.

Can you imagine being unable to avoid or escape from such a person? Being forced to use the same showers behind an inadequate plastic curtain? Sharing a cell with this person, locked in?

Just because women are in prison doesn’t mean they should have to share their space with a rapist ffs.

Do you realise how many poor women are in prison for things like non-payment of council tax or fines?

Yet because of that they should be at risk of being raped by a man? Jesus Christ.

My view is that first and foremost, this rapist is a CRIMINAL. The people they are locked up with are CRIMINALS. That is the most important thing that must be considered before deciding whether they're male or female or what religion they are or anything else - they are CRIMINALS who deserve to be locked up.

So a woman who has perhaps failed to pay a fine deserves to be locked into a cell with a violent murdering rapist? And this is some kind of crude 'justice'?

Seems somewhat harsh. What about criminals who aren't spelled out in capital letters, do they get the hose, too?

So, you think it is appropriate for a women to be housed with a rapist because she is a 'criminal'. And just how many women are in a UK prison who are sex offenders?

And how many of those female sex offenders penetratively raped another woman?

Do you even read the hatred you have for women in prison in your post?

Most women are in prison for very different crimes. And I will go and dig up the stats, but YES women in prison are much more likely than the total UK female population to have been victims of abuse, violence by male, sexual abuses and rapes. Often with head injuries that are very severe they impact that woman for life.

Your suggestion is that putting males in female prisons is going to be a deterrent for them.

Fuck! The hatred is there for all to see.

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released

So the message is, don't go to prison, women, because if you do and you have the misfortune to be locked up with a rapist, it's just society's way of telling you that you had better be a good girl when you get out. A well as being imprisoned you have to deal with the trauma and fear of what is this person going to do to me, but that just serves you right.

(And I don't think women get the 'choice' of who they are locked up with, dotjones).

I've seen some stuff on here that absolutely enrages me. This has to be the worst (or best).

It's the emperor's new clothes...just a more barbaric, dangerous version.

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

Women should not be raped as part of their punishment for committing a crime.

If we continue down this path what we will ultimately be left with is male prisons and unisex prisons. Surely all men, even ones which have no ill intent, would prefer to be in a woman's prison. Literally, if this continues, every single male prisoner could say they identify as a woman and the entire prison system will be mixed sex. It's absolutely mental.

Putting a trans rapist in a women's prison is like sentencing a fox to a hen house.

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

Wow! So that middle aged Asian lady who got locked up because the Post Office had a faulty IT system should reflect on her life choices?

Or the wife of the guy who coerced her into helping him commit insurance fraud by pretending to be dead should just suck it up eh?

What about the countless women who are in prison for non payment of fines, often relating to financial abuse by a male partner?

Or the girl who was beaten up and pimped out by a much older man who told her he was her boyfriend and ended up stealing to find the drug habit she needed to get her through the constant rapes?

I’m glad you feel so safe and secure that you think you will never go to prison and nothing will ever go wrong, even accidentally, that could land you in origin but do try and have a tiny bit of compassion for women.

You seem to feel more kindly towards a double rapist than you do women.

This is from a submission made to the Queensland government in Australia about self Id happening right now.

twitter.com/salltweets/status/1618046485467385860

One of the women's groups has put together some numbers:

Numbers of transitioned males in Queensland prisons was 42 in 2021. By 30th June 2022 it was 63. There are only 800-900 female inmates in Queensland prisons.

Look at the numbers!

If these males are included in the female prisons, the numbers could well surpass 10% of the female prisoners. By mid 2022 it was already around 8%.

And male prisoners tend to be in prison for different crimes and usually more violence and sex crimes than the female prisoners.

How would it be ever considered appropriate to put any male in a female prison? And for what reason? They are vulnerable? What other males who are vulnerable are to then be put into a female prison?

Surely for all vulnerable male people, there are vulnerable male prison sections.

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

Think about it whilst being raped? That is an off view, I’m surprised anyone has it

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released

Sounds like just the springboard you need to turn your life around...🙄

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

This bastard belongs in a male prison, and if this rapist should feel unhappy about being locked up with other men, if this rapist feels threatened or unsafe in men's prison, hopefully he will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at himself and the reasons for him being in prison, and to not return to being a raping piece of shit if he gets released.

My view is that first and foremost, this rapist is a CRIMINAL. The people they are locked up with are CRIMINALS. That is the most important thing that must be considered before deciding whether they're male or female or what religion they are or anything else - they are CRIMINALS who deserve to be locked up. If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

If that's your view- why on earth not say, "if the rapist is unhappy about being locked up with other males, if 'she' feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully 'she' will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at 'herself' and for the reasons for being in prison and to not return to crime if 'she' gets released '.

DotJones

You have posted this before. On that occasion I asked you how it benefited your life as a woman who (presumably) thinks she will never go to prison, if a potential rapist knows his sentence for rape will be a term served in a women's prison. In America, it is known that rapists are being allocated female cellmates who they rape. Corrupt prison guards use the threat of being the rapist's next cellmate to discipline female prisoners. How does rewarding rapists for rape, with other women's bodies, discourage rapists from maybe raping you so they can get in on that?

You seem very eager to use the fear and reality of sexual violence to discourage reoffending on the part of women. 84% of women are there for non-violent crimes, so isn't it more important to discourage the men convicted of rape frommdoing it again?

Seriously, how does being in a women's prison discourage rapists from reoffending?

As I told you before, women's prisons are being used to house women who have committed no crime, who have been sectioned under the Mental Health Act. There are not enough places in mental health units, and the decision has been made that prisons qualify as a "safe place" under the Mental Health Act.

I will supply the data on that in the next post.

This man raped two women, that we know about, and is now allowed to pretend he's a woman and gets to go and intimidate and potentially abuse of rape or even kill one of the women in there because you deem them to be women of loose and questionable morals and standards?

Never mind the 1950s

The 1750s are calling for you to go home.

. If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

DISGUSTING. THAT IS DISGUSTING.

This is so frightening
Just steam rolling over women to protect the feelings of a violent criminal
End of everything to do with being female isn't it
Have to go underground as females

Don't understand why we can have a trans category where people swapping are together. Eg in prisons, hospitals, schools etc. so the 3-4 of them can be together. And real women are elsewhere and real men are elsewhere

Just ridiculous and so scary for women

No males at all, however benign they might be, should ever be housed in the female prison estate. It is not ethical.

This is absolutely disgusting and wrong and has no place in any civilised society.

This rapist is only one face of this particular malignancy.

@Dotjones That can’t be your real opinion, surely?

Anyone that’s in prison for any length of time deserves all they get if someone rapes them whilst they’re in there?!

By that logic, what should we subject our serial killers and violent murderers to? They get locked up with a couple of tigers, and if they get attacked then it’s they’re own fault for being in there, yeah?

Extract from the Minutes from a Meeting of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Women in the Penal System

Present: ^Sandra Fieldhouse, Team leader for inspection of women’s prisons, Her
Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons^
Sandra had worked at Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Prisons since 2010. She spent eight years as an inspector before becoming team leader of the women’s inspection
team, a role she has been in for three years.
Prior to 2010, Sandra was an inspector with Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Probation.
Her career background before that was as a social worker with young offenders
followed by becoming a probation officer and then being involved in the national
development and implementation of offending behaviour programmes across the National Probation Service

Sandra: Prison was being used as a place of safety for men, women and children. The lack of
central data collection meant this problem remained hidden. In August 2021, HMIP
asked six local prisons (three men’s prisons and three women’s prisons) for
information about any individuals remanded in the previous 12 months who were so
acutely mentally unwell that they should have been diverted from prison. The three
women’s prisons identified 68 women who were acutely mentally unwell and had
been remanded to prison. The outcome for all of these women was not known but of
those for whom the outcome was known, over half were transferred to a secure
hospital. There was a need for a better range of community facilities for women
facing a mental health crisis.

Jackie Doyle-Price said that the number of women being sent to prison as a place of
safety was significant. The APPG had been calling for an end to the use remand for
own protection. It was clear that the money that was allocated to build 500 new
prison places for women would be better spent building more secure mental health facilities for women.^

68 women in just three women's prisons!

By Dot's logic, I think serial killers get given a locked cabin of teenagers to kill.

The first time I was raped I was 6.

I got in trouble with the police for the first when I was about 7 and basically got a telling off and sent on my way.

I got arrested at the age of 10. I spent a couple of hours in the cells waiting for a responsible adult to come and collect me.

At 12 I had half of Cheshire Police out looking for me whilst I lay asleep half naked in the bed of a man in his 60s who had plied me with martini until I threw up and passed out.

I continued to get into trouble and break the law, drink, do drugs, cause criminal damage, etc. all through my teens. Some behaviour carried on into adulthood.

I was lucky though I didn’t get caught again and so that arrest at 10 remains the one and only time.

I will never know why I didn’t caught. I will never know why I didn’t end up down the route of drug addiction or prostitution or single with 3 kids I couldn’t afford in my teens.

For whatever reason my bad behaviour, which all stemmed from my very abusive childhood, didn’t become the thing that defined my life. When I took my rapist to court I was compensated for his crimes towards me by the government.

However, had I not found the strength in my early 20s to pull myself together and sort my life out and had instead ended up on drugs or getting pimped out by my boyfriend and had ended up doing something that saw me sent to prison,

Then whilst I could still take my rapist to court the government would punish me for not having had the moral fortitude to resist trying to blot out my abusive childhood with drugs and alcohol. I would be denied compensation because I had a criminal record. A criminal record, that all stemmed from me having been a vulnerable child in an abusive home.

Now some posters are also OK with the fact that I could be in the same prison whilst I did my time for stealing cheese for the third time as the one my rapist who now identifies as a woman is in?

NO. JUST NO. NO DEBATE.

Applause for Boiledbeetle for once again being brave enough to confront posters with the reality of what they're advocating. For forcing them to face what they are supporting.

It's no debate here, too.

We don't reward rapists with captive women.

Woah! Did I just read that right?

If you are in prison then tough shit. Get fucked, who cares?

If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

Yes, I think I did read that right!