That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

It reminds me of the Asian grooming scandals - how those who should've been protecting vulnerable girls kept quiet in fear of being called racist. Everyone is so scared of being called transphobic that they're falling over themselves to tell the emperor 'she' looks so cute - it's baffling. It needs to stop.

100% this.

If we can’t talk openly about child safeguarding that is a huge problem. All major child sex abuse scandals have the same pattern of silencing all who raise concerns. None of the people trying to silence us can offer any reasonable explanation of how it doesn’t affect safeguarding therefore we have every right to continue talking about it.

Encouraging vulnerable children to keep secrets from their parents is a major safeguarding issue.

Anyone who thinks a daily mail article is factual is bonkers.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

And this subject should absolutely not be shunted off to the feminism board, it's bigger than that.
Yes, the feminists were the first to sound the alarm but all parents need to know what's going on in schools.
I'm surprised more parents don't already know but I assume a lot of people go along with whatever sounds good without much thought until it affects them personally.

You responded to the shut up woman comment. That didn't copy !

You should follow the quote history. Your misogyny comment was in response to DoggyDwelling at 09.53. "Shut up woman" comment was posted at 09.36.

And to confirm, I see DoggyDwelling has responded with the same confusion as everyone else.

I'm pretty sure at least one of the mothers in the article already posts about this on the feminism board. If not, the story is almost exactly the same.

Just because something is reported in the DM doesn't mean that it's not true and it's lazy to imply it is.

If you're all on board with everything trans-related, why can't it be talked about on the main boards here, rather than hidden away? What is there to hide?

I take the quotes from Transgender Trend pretty seriously, they are a grassroots support group for parents and these are parents who have been through the mill. And the article is consistent with what I've seen described as good practice by schools in Scotland.

Yes the DM love this stuff. Doesn't mean it's not true, sadly.

Maybe you could actually read the article and consider testimonies from parents like this:

But when a nurse at school had a chat with Harry about puberty, he came skipping home through the door with paperwork about how to register for puberty blockers. I was shocked. He was only 14.

Please ask yourself why it is appropriate for the school to give this child information that bypasses any psychological evaluation or actual diagnosis of gender dysphoria and jumps straight to medication as a solution for his distress?

Most children experiencing distress with puberty or their identity will settle down once the huge brain development that occurs has kicked in. Encouraging a child to jump straight to a self diagnosis of trans and need for heavy lifelong medication is extremely harmful.

I think the words "social transitioning" are doing a lot of heavy lifting here. As far as I can see from the article all the school are doing is using a requested nickname. The child's actual name hasn't been changed.

I take the quotes from Transgender Trend pretty seriously

Absolutely, Transgender Trend are a very credible organisation made up of knowledgeable and well educated parents who put child welfare at the center of everything they do.

I believe that specific department of education guidance for schools prohibits them from telling children that they are in the wrong body.
it came out a couple of years ago I think and at the time I was shocked that this guidance had to be given to schools in the first place.
I don’t like the way trans ideology targets children via schools. It is clearly a child safeguarding issue to dismantle children barriers and the adult gatekeepers around them.

There are 2 issues here, which you seem to be confusing.

1. Should people who are trans be treated with respect and given appropriate treatment? (I think most people would argue yes)

1. Should children who have symptoms of being trans but actually these symptoms are the result of some other cause, be incorrectly treated and given life altering and irreversible surgery or hormones?

(I think most people would argue no)

The question is how do you know whether the 1000 per cent increase in girls saying they are boys are actually trans or not? That is a massive increase, and the question at least needs to be asked if these girls are actually trans or not. That answer may be yes, but any responsible adult involved with the child should be open to the answer being "no, there are other reasons why they are presenting with these symptoms".

If your child presents at the hospital with symptoms of a broken leg, they will xray your child to find out if they actually do have a broken leg and decide how best to treat it. They don't just pop any old sore leg into a plaster cast without proper investigation. And they will always tell the parents what they are doing because the parents need to be there to support their child.

Just as a general rule, anyone who is encouraging a child to keep secrets from their parents has to be viewed with suspicion, even if that suspicion is later allayed.

Could I suggest you read the full article? They are promoting puberty blockers to autistic 14 yr olds, going against psychiatric advice and threatening parents with social services, referring to girls as ‘he’ (and therefore encouraging all other students to do so) and changing students registered names (which I think is against the rules).

The first girl referred to, Esme, has her name and pronouns changed so the whole school uses them. She is now indicating that she wants to revert to her old name and being a girl but it is now very hard and embarrassing to go back which is hampering her.

I know a girl who did this, although with parental knowledge. She changed her name on the register and issued new pronouns to much fanfare. A year later she now is embarrassed about 13 yr old her’s decisions and wants to forget the whole thing, except that the school are not so willing to alter the register again so she is reminded of her teenage decision every day. That is not helping.

What do you think social transitioning is?

Name change
Sex on records changed and notes made to not tell parents so that letters home still go out in the "deadname"
Allowed to use opposite-sex toilets and changing facilities (remember this would be for overnight trips too, your daughter is in with the boys overnight, still OK?)
I've read of children being given the opposite sex uniform to use and then changing before leaving for home

Do you not think parents have any right to know about any of these? What on earth gives the right to unqualified teachers to allow any of this without parents' knowledge?

YANBU

I'd love to hear these events from the perspectives of the young people (from skimming the article, they are now young adults and continue to identify as trans). I wonder if there were reasons they specifically asked school staff not to share social transition with parents.

Re:Cass review. she also states that 'doing nothing' is also not a neutral action. Point 5.20 (see image)

Yanbu. This is crazy.

Given that about 0.5% of the population are trans, it should not surprise us if about 0.5% of children will grow up to be trans.

But now far more than 0.5% of kids are doing this. We don't know how they will grow up. And they really are being encouraged to see themselves as T with all that entails. Many of them may end up as LGB adults or gender nonconforming adults or even pretty ordinary and straight. But not before they have done themselves a mischief believing that they are T and that transition will make them feel better.

Exactly! Incredibly sinister. Banish the feminists, those uppity women who campaigned for women to enjoy basic freedoms like the right to vote and so many other issues affecting women. Who abhor the patriarchy and try to better the lot of women daily in the face of this kind of misogynistic hatred.

God forbid women speak.

Re:Cass review. she also states that 'doing nothing' is also not a neutral action. Point 5.20 (see image)

I don't think anyone is advocating doing nothing.

Rather that counselling should be the go to.