That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

As a teenager, who chooses to eat meat at school? And the school don’t contact the parents to tell them? Yes, I’m fine with that.

YANBU. The proposition that you can be born in the wrong body is a nonsense build on a faith based belief system.

It should be recognised in terms of a dysphoria - like anorexia. It would be similarly cruel to affirm to children that you can be too fat with a BMI of 15. The lie built by dysmorphia shouldn't be affirmed as fact by those in positions of trust.

Bear in mind that I'm some parts of the world (some states in AUS, possibly US and Canada), if a parent questions their child's desire to transition, social services can remove the child from their care.

Do we want to get to that point?

Again, whose interests are being served?

Would you want schools to contact homophobic parents to inform them that their child is gay? Doctors to inform parents that a teenage girl is using contraception? To inform religious parents that a teenager is breaking their religious rules? Potentially putting that child at risk?

‘They took a day to respond but eventually replied saying that in keeping with their Equality, Inclusion and Diversity policy, they had “socially transitioned” [when you refer to someone by different names and pronouns to match their gender identity] my daughter and were referring to her with the gender-neutral name Lex and they/them pronouns.

The school clearly says it had socially transitioned the child. This means they are telling the child they are born in the wrong body. What else does it mean?

@FatGirlSwim no because these are very different examples.

Do you think that children can be born in the wrong body? And that an autistic child should be socially transitioned at school?

Would you want schools to contact homophobic parents to inform them that their child is gay? Doctors to inform parents that a teenage girl is using contraception? To inform religious parents that a teenager is breaking their religious rules? Potentially putting that child at risk?

The difference being that socially transitioning a child is not a neutral act, it has huge consequences. Something the Cass report has made very clear.

if people haven't read the initial Cass findings they absolutely should.

YANBU, it is scary to be a parent of a child that does 100% conform to gender stereotypes. When my DC were toddlers I encouraged them to challenge stereotypes and did so with toys and clothes I bought.

I had no idea at the time, the physical danger I was putting them in. I honestly think I would do things differently, had I known.

I strongly believe that gender stereotypes should be challenged, but I don't believe that it is safe to do so currently.

this is what is being proposed in Scotland.

Would you want the school to hide that a child is self harming or that a child is anorexic?

YANBU
Sex doesn't define us (what we like, how we act, what we wear).

But it is a biological fact. Sex is more than body parts or hormones.

Denying reality doesn't make it any less real.

Sex and gender are not the same thing!

Gay people have fought for years to erode the distinctions of gender, to be who you want and love who you want.
And now we have built them all back up again.

In the name of what?

Honest question. Are gender neutral people anti trans?

YANBU

A diversity and inclusion policy for schools should cover the protected characteristics as they apply to children.

Cementing gender stereotypes by socially transitioning children that don’t ‘fit in’ for any reason, falls well outside D&I imho. Huge overreach by the school.

I don't agree with keeping it a secret from parents, but at the same time I can see the concern if they think some parents would be abusive over it. Surely most wouldn't be though? The problem is with trans issues anything but affirmation can be seen as abusive which I disagree with. If school thought DD was trans I would want to know and would disagree. I wouldn't be unkind but I would explore her feelings and explain the limitations of "changing sex" and encourage her to understand being female doesn't mean conforming to female stereotypes

It's not the same sort of thing at all. Your analogiy doesn't hold up.

The OP's complaint isn't about schools not telling parents that their child is trans, but that they are actively involved in the social transition of minors (by using names and pronouns of a different sex). This is not a neutral act the Cass report has told us.

That’s a really good analogy. Or a school persuading a child to ignore their religious beliefs or cultural background.

The fact that schools are prepared to override parental wishes and recommendations from an actual qualified psychiatrist is horrifying.

Would anyone be happy for their school to diagnose their child with any other chronic psychiatric condition and hide it from the parents?

This is in addition to the obvious safeguarding issues of these schools also allowing young teenagers to use the opposite sex changing rooms and even sleeping arrangements on a school trip.

There was an article a while ago about a young girl who identified as trans being allowed to sleep in the boys dorm on a trip and was raped. We keep make and female teenagers apart at certain times for a very good reason. That reason hasn’t changed.

I think it's worrying that teachers are making decisions like this and keeping it from the parents. How are they qualified? I remember reading about a teacher who noticed a boy was always avoiding going to the toilet when other boys were there and using the single toilet. She thought he was trans and started showing him videos about being trans etc. Turns out he just wanted privacy as he had a medical issue like irritable bowel. There are so many unqualified people interfering in children's lives - perhaps with good intentions but that can still mess a child up.

Yeah OP, go skulk over there in the putrid Feminist corner and stop speaking and having opinions. How very dare you!!!!

YADNBU.

Children cannot be trans. They can be convinced they’ve been born in the wrong body and that by becoming the opposite sex all their problems will be solved. As they will never obtain the thing they’ve pinned all their hopes on (ie changing sex), they are being set up to fail and have their fragile self-worth shattered.

But…transphobia…bigot…hateful.

Worth reading this thread to understand where social transitioning has the potential to lead.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4721731-complications-from-trans-surgery?page=21&reply=123180505

YADNBU - there is no such thing as the wrong body, just the body you are born with. You may like it, or not, it makes no odds to whether it is the right or wrong body - it is just your body.

Normalising extreme medical routes is totally bonkers. Our bodies have evolved to be the way they are, for a reason.

Yanbu

That's a very typical Mail article - lots of allegations designed to get their readers frothing at the mouth, zero attempt to get or quote the schools' viewpoint in any of the cases concerned, and of course they are taking advantage of the fact that the schools are hamstrung in what they can say about pupils' personal information anyway. YABU to take the report at face value.