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That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

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WandaWomblesaurus · 18/01/2023 08:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 19/01/2023 18:44

I do believe there's a lot to be said for gentle guidance, gentle interest, being available to explore at their pace and having absolute limits.

Ideally yes @StephanieSuperpowers ... but "explore at their own pace" is not easy if boys do the common teen boy thing - radio silence followed by "right mum now I want hormones". Shock and panic don't go with gentle interest and exploration.

How often do we mums really get to be the lovely adults gently guiding our teens? Family life with teens can be a battle. What I resent is people with agendas handing our kids weapons so our families can be their battleground.

NettleTea · 19/01/2023 19:03

StephanieSuperpowers · 19/01/2023 09:58

One thing that confuses me about the zealots is that they position this as so important that it must be acted on immediately or very serious consequences (even suicide) are likely, but also so trivial that it doesn't warrant any investigation.

ahh, the old suicide stats.

Those would be the ones that every trans campaigner, and every trans activist trots out. Despite the fact that suicide is NEVER supposed to be used as a campagning tool

What they dont 'trot out' are that those stats were taken from a self referring group of LGBT people with mental health problems. And of the 2000 people who filled in the survey, only 27 were trans (and not all of those were young) and I believe the 'nearly half' of those tiny number said, yes, they had thought about suicide

Transgender trend did a breakdown. (and Stephanie has British Empire medal for her work) www.transgendertrend.com/?s=suicide+statistics

StephanieSuperpowers · 19/01/2023 19:05

I suppose I was thinking of the example upthread of the woman upthread who sounded like she had made her trans child into her identity and cause, and had bullied everyone she knew into compliance. How can a child withdraw from that?

My own child isn't a teen yet so I'll confess I haven't faced the reality that she will try to pull away and push me away later on!

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WandaWomblesaurus · 20/01/2023 08:58

Teachers are being advised by lobby groups - they are acting way out of their remit. At my daughters school one of the teachers has big trans flags behind her desk and has been socially transitioning children without their parents permission. One of the children has been telling the other girls how transphobic her parents are. They are just normal people.

This girl has issues with her own hygiene, she's on the spectrum and can barely look after herself in practical ways. We personally know four or five other girls who are similar to this, not able to look after themselves well enough to deal with their own periods, yet pushing to go on puberty blockers and fantasising about having mastectomies.

These girls will not be able to cope with their own self care if they end up having life changing surgery that will have a high degree of post body trauma and medical attention needed. These girls are who Maggie Chapman, Nicola Sturgeon, Patrick Harvie, Emma Watson and all the trans activist gender zealots are sacrificing in the name of gender identity - which they cannot even provide a definition for.

These girls are going to be lifelong casualties of a war on children's bodies.

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TheKeatingFive · 20/01/2023 09:01

Teachers are being advised by lobby groups - they are acting way out of their remit.

Lobby groups that themselves have no medical expertise and a terrifying approach to safeguarding.

We're just handing the reins over to bunch of know nothing ideologues. How the actual fuck did we end up here?

WandaWomblesaurus · 20/01/2023 09:58

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-handed-millions-lobbyist-who-28996720.amp

And the SNP had handed millions to them all to push through gender self ID - despite no one being able to define what gender identity means.

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WandaWomblesaurus · 20/01/2023 10:44

www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5283763/gender-recognition-maggie-chapman/

Maggie Chapman wants 8 year olds to explore their gender.

I want Maggie Chapman to be kept away from children.

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2023bebetter · 20/01/2023 11:04

It's incredibly scary when DC are so vulnerable and their bodies go through monumental changes. It's hard enough to cope with without adding this on top.

When they are 18 they are in a far better position to understand and decide how they truly feel.

I can't believe our vulnerable DC are being exposed and school a place of safety is allowing this.

whereaw · 20/01/2023 11:39

I feel so sad about all this..

I remember being a kid at school and being told (and truly believing) that people are people are people. To just be yourself and love and accept people for who they are. I don't remember feeling like I had to be a certain way, to define myself, or others. The word was open and full of possibilities. I didn't have to think or consider if I was a girl, I simply was one. I went about my life, and learnt like all the other boys and girls. We knew we were boys and girls but in the same way that we know gravity keeps us on the ground. We didn't have to constantly consider it. It just was. It didn't really matter either way.

Now everything is so hard. So many boxes. So many questions.

Why can't we just accept our biology and do whatever the hell we want to do? Why does me refusing to deny reality impact how someone wants to live? Wear a dress, a wig, cut your hair, call yourself whatever you like.

Why is it that race, which is less definite or 'real' than sex, so all encompassing and not to be argued with, but sex suddenly so abstract or meaningless that I can be one, or the other, or none?

There are real safety reasons that sex matters.

Why should I need to shower or change beside a person with a penis so that they can feel like a real woman? I want to be only around biological females in intimate spaces because a biological female cannot rape me. That. is. it.

If I feel nervous when a man is walking close behind me late at night it is because there is a possibility he might attack or rape me. He probably won't. He's probably rushing home to see his wife. It isn't personal. I don't know him. I just know it is a possibility. That's all.

Children are children, just let them be children and stop sexualising them, stop grooming them.... just stop.

If you think you're being kind, you're not.

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