That schools should not be telling children they are born in the wrong bodies?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11646881/I-asked-daughters-teachers-not-call-boy-reported-social-services.html?s=08

This is so alarming now - just how many children do we think are born in the wrong bodies?

Is this not now just science fiction?

YABU - Rainbows are magic

YANBU - It's brainwashing. No child is born in the wrong body and schools must be held to account.

Potentially that child could be saying they are trans precisely because their parents are homophobic and changing their gender seems an easier way out than accepting that they are gay. So simply because they are gay you want to be complicit in removing their body parts and subjecting them to a life of dependency on drugs amd medical procedures. I think that's a very concerning position for you to be taking.

Re:Cass review. she also states that 'doing nothing' is also not a neutral action. Point 5.20 (see image)

Watchful waiting is supportive, it's not "doing nothing" and usually results in the resolution of gender distress/confusion. Many of the children who experience gender dysphoria grow up to be same sex attracted adults. We shouldn't be in such a rush to "trans the gay away", it's just a different form of conversion therapy.

@maddy68
Your accusation of mysogeny upthread does not make sense.

The pp was not telling you to shut up.
She was pointing out that you and the person you quoted were telling other women to shut up, to be quiet, to keep their concerns tucked away where few would hear them.
HTH

Maybe you should get off MN totally - like the women who highlighted the safe guarding issues with Stone Wall & Mermaids..... And have been proven to be completely correct.

What is the difference between watchful waiting and doing nothing?

For all those who are saying changing pronouns and names etc is just being kind. You should know that unfortunately it is the case that homophobic families can push a child who is gay (same sex attracted) into ‘transitioning’ as this is seen as a more acceptable option. The whistleblowers at the Tavistock reported numerous cases of this.

Sadly there are other reasons for some families and carers to want the child to stay childlike and move to blockers. I won’t go in to detail here but again, well reported in relation to Tavistock.

The precise reason we (should) have watertight safeguards that apply equally to all children. No exceptions. Shouting transphobia cuts no ice with me I’m afraid.

It says a lot about our attitude towards mental illness that we would prefer to chop bits off our children's bodies and give them hormones that stop them having orgasms in future and stop them having children, rather than at least question whether their symptoms are related to some kind of mental illness

Being trans isn't a mental illness though.

So what is 'being trans'? Please explain? Is it not conforming to stereotypes, or is it something else? I think given the impact on children, especially vulnerable ones, it is very important to at least understand terms.

It's almost like that is an entirely made up concept popularised by homophobes over many decades who imagined that gay people coming out at younger ages must be because of 'contagion' and now co-opted, as with so many other arguments, by transphobes.

I've read the article in detail and the substance of it does not match your alarmist claims:

• the school is simply respecting the young person's choice it's not the school transitioning young people off their own bat

-one person at CAHMS said there was some young people with autism who were also trans there is no reference to evidence showing any link, this is anecdotal. This is the daily mail somehow if there was any evidence of a real link I think they would have splashed that on the front page! There is clearly not

It's the kind of attitudes expressed here on this board which presumably the school is trying to guard against - is it the schools role to force young people to come out to their parents - who may hold anti trans views, that could put their child at risk?
A young person comes out as trans to their parents and is told it's 'self-harm' or 'a safeguarding issue' just to be themselves?
There is a much higher rate of depression, anxiety and mental health issues for trans young people - they have a right to their identity, equal treatment and an end to discrimination. When is discrimination more damaging than from your own parents?

Another parent of an autistic daughter here. She doesn't conform to gendered expectations of how girls should look and what they should wear because of sensory issues associated with autism. She doesn't communicated in ways that are normally expected of girls because she has a social communication disorder.

She has been asked if she's really trans or a boy by many people including CAMHS.

Luckily for me she hasn't fallen for this gender religion and she is comfortable that being a girl isn't a set of stereotypes.

But other autistic girls are being led down this path.

This is from a support group for autistic children on social media, this was posted yesterday -

I’m looking for advice from parents that have a young child who is transgender, 9 years old around that mark please 🙂 (our now boy was born with female parts)
This is very new to us in the sense of not having dealt / helped with this before however it is not new to us that he is clearly a boy! That has been obvious since he was born!

How is it clear to anyone that a girl is a boy?

It's just nonsense. This girl will end up sterilised for the 'be kind' brigade.

Well, I completely disagree with you but let's go with it.

I imagine you believe that kids who believe they are trans also have a high suicide rate, do you think parents should know about this? Or is this OK to be kept secret? Can you see any problems with this?

one person at CAHMS said there was some young people with autism who were also trans there is no reference to evidence showing any link, this is anecdotal

This did not take me very long to find.

www.spectrumnews.org/news/largest-study-to-date-confirms-overlap-between-autism-and-gender-diversity/

Let's unpack this 'paperwork about registering for puberty blockers' claim.

This is of course precisely why the Daily Mail can't be trusted. What precisely do you think the process is for a child to be prescribed puberty blockers?

What percentage of children do you think are prescribed them and just how easy do you think it is for them to access them?

Woah! There is quite a few assumptions in here. That's quite a stretch....

Correct.

In my 30-odd years of teaching, I never met a child who showed any inclination of being "trans". There were kids who knew they were, or showed signs of being, gay, however.

Trans is a monster created and spread to children by social media, and fed by organisations telling schools they 'must' adopt specific policies. It's fuelled by fear of that word 'transphobia' (which is flung out willy nilly and means the sum total of fuck all) and the cult of identity - the latter which appeals massively to kids, who have always sought 'tribes' to attach themselves to. It's entrenched by the deployment of lies and fake statistics about suicide.

It is having its worst impact on autistic kids - and the pressure not to allow talk therapy (or even to remotely challenge the notion that the kid is trans) for them is sending them down rabbit holes that can result in shockingly life-changing decisions.

I agree.

although I feel like I was born in the wrong body.

I should have definitely have been given a skinner, taller body than the one I have.

Re:Cass review. she also states that 'doing nothing' is also not a neutral action. Point 5.20 (see image)

Indeed, which is why this must be handled very delicately and with everyone informed and consulted - including parents and psychological professionals. Social transition is outside the competence of teachers to decide and it's not something schools should do in secret just on their own authority.

It is very dangerous for schools to make a default assumption that parents should not be consulted when a school changes how their child is treated in school. This secrecy fuels children's alienation from their parents and makes children vulnerable. Secrecy should be used when there may be abuse, but not a first go-to when a chld starts to question their identity.

Actually think it's wrong on every level. What do kids know about this nonsense and even worse that schools/ parents try to push it it on them also. Let kids be kids! It feels like a trend nowadays & they want to jump on the bandwagon. Delusional thinking in my opinion.

Have you never heard of social contagion in other circumstances before?

It's well known that eating disorders and issues like self-harm spread through friendship groups, why would trans be any different?

Kids follow what their friends do to stay in the group, anyone with children is aware of this.
Has your kid never done anything just because their friends do? They are suggestible and rather than the adults in the room patting them on the head and saying 'of course you're non-binary, now run along to maths', they are complicit in telling them they are the opposite sex and letting them know about puberty blockers.

I knew the thread title would be bollocks.

Because for some trans people, the most appropriate treatment for some of the common mental health challenges that go along side being trans for many is surgical intervention.

Of course in reality for many trans people, surgery isn't chosen or appropriate (and I've seen plenty of transphobes claiming that those trans people who don't go down the surgical route must not really be trans, and those who do are mentally ill - so trans people just can't win regardless of how they deal with being trans).

This is of course precisely why the Daily Mail can't be trusted. What precisely do you think the process is for a child to be prescribed puberty blockers?

The actual process for obtaining puberty blockers is not relevant (although we do know that a particular online private GP was in court for prescribing them to 9 yr olds after a 20 zoom call. This company is signposted by trans charity Mermaids that is also currently under investigation although still signposted by many schools).

The issue here is that the school nurse was talking to an autistic child who understandably didn’t like the idea of puberty and suggesting to him that there were drugs he could take to stop it.

Can you not see the issue with that?

Honestly, this notion that any gay child looks at the experience of trans people and thinks 'you know what, that looks like an easier route for me' is for the birds.