Page 9 | To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

WandaWomblesaurus · 2023-01-15T08:34:59+00:00

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/ Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive. YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings. YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Mammajay · 15/01/2023 16:11

Mistah Clarke you should have reported it to the police

ScrollingLeaves · 15/01/2023 16:11

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ChaToilLeam · 15/01/2023 16:11

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 14:28

So the changing rooms at my local pool are mixed, with lots of cubicles. People are expected to keep their swimsuit on when they shower (unless it's a cubicle shower) and change IN the lockers. It would be frowned upon for ANYONE to get their genitals out if front of anyone else, whether male, female, trans or whatever. I've never felt unsafe there or in any changing rooms.

Perhaps the answer is fewer flimsy curtains and more cubicles that lock on the inside, rather than mass hysteria and transphobia?

Ah yes, hysteria: a term based on the ancient belief that our wombs went a-wandering and made us irrational.

Quite misogynistic really.

atteatimeeverybodyagrees · 15/01/2023 16:12

I don't even know anymore

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:12

This thread has just gone from bad to worse.

It is totally possible to be concerned about safety in changing rooms and seek to find solutions to that without being transphobic. Some posters have managed that, suggesting perhaps that the design of changing rooms needs to be changed. Others sadly cannot, and feel the need to say that trans women can never be women, etc. I have reported a couple of comments and they have been taken down, but I have much better things to do with my Sundays than to trawl through the post reporting everything.

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males (and sadly, from the comments on this thread, verbal abuse from females too). Personally, I would feel safer around trans women who still have penises than male-presenting penis owners, being aware that those who suffer abuse are at the hands of men are way less likely to perpetrate it against others. I understand from some of the articles linked here that there are exceptions, but as someone else has pointed out, we have very little hard data about how common this actually is.

I hope none of those who have made such statements ever have trans children, because it would be pretty traumatic for those children to come out to parents with such vile views.

Cherry60 · 15/01/2023 16:15

There's no such thing as 'trans children' @Quinoawoman and reporting people for telling the truth isn't going to change those truths

lifeturnsonadime · 15/01/2023 16:16

It is totally possible to be concerned about safety in changing rooms and seek to find solutions to that without being transphobic.

Believing in material reality and scientific fact - that men can never be women is not transphobic. It's biological reality.

Believing that women should have rights and spaces separate from trans women (males who identify as women) is not transphobic either.

Solutions are that trans women stick to the facilities that align with their sex which will keep women safe and stop women from self excluding from the spaces that they are invading without the consent of women.

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:16

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm talking about the behaviour I see on this thread and not the location of people's uteruses.

To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 16:17

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse

Women are talking about our own rights. Not "screaming" That OK?

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:17

Cherry60 · 15/01/2023 16:15

There's no such thing as 'trans children' @Quinoawoman and reporting people for telling the truth isn't going to change those truths

So children can never have gender dysphoria?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 16:17

It's lazy misogyny, @Quinoawoman

Do better.

EpicChaos · 15/01/2023 16:18

@Quinoawoman " vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males "

It is NOT my job, or the job of any woman to protect men! At any time!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 16:19

Their margins won't be affected.

They will be if they go out of business.

HollywoodDream · 15/01/2023 16:19

Most men will never fully understand how it feels to be vulnerable to the opposite sex.

Having a man walk behind you, be it during daylight hours, along a quiet country path, on a dark evening. Most men will NEVER understand how vulnerable we can sometimes feel.

It then makes sense that the men commenting on this thread won’t have a clue how that then continues in other aspects of life where we can feel vulnerable.

We don’t want men, whether they’re wearing jeans or a dress, in our changing rooms!

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 16:19

I think we’ve got quite a bit of data on how safe women are from male violence and sexual assault?

Why oh why do women and girls have to make adjustments to MTFT? Why do we have to put our feelings aside?

Why do MTFTs feelings trump womens feelings?

I would never verbally abuse anyone, I am pretty confident from reading the feminist boards for years that majority of women would not abuse anyone.

But standing up for womens sex based rights is not abuse. And anyone saying it is has really lost their way.

bignosebignose · 15/01/2023 16:19

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males

The answer to some males being a threat to some other males is not to allow all males into female-only spaces so that males can then be a threat to women too.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/01/2023 16:19

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:12

This thread has just gone from bad to worse.

It is totally possible to be concerned about safety in changing rooms and seek to find solutions to that without being transphobic. Some posters have managed that, suggesting perhaps that the design of changing rooms needs to be changed. Others sadly cannot, and feel the need to say that trans women can never be women, etc. I have reported a couple of comments and they have been taken down, but I have much better things to do with my Sundays than to trawl through the post reporting everything.

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males (and sadly, from the comments on this thread, verbal abuse from females too). Personally, I would feel safer around trans women who still have penises than male-presenting penis owners, being aware that those who suffer abuse are at the hands of men are way less likely to perpetrate it against others. I understand from some of the articles linked here that there are exceptions, but as someone else has pointed out, we have very little hard data about how common this actually is.

I hope none of those who have made such statements ever have trans children, because it would be pretty traumatic for those children to come out to parents with such vile views.

No.

Just no.

That's complete and utter tosh!

Cherry60 · 15/01/2023 16:20

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:17

So children can never have gender dysphoria?

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Having gender dysphoria is not the same as being labelled 'trans'

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/01/2023 16:20

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:16

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm talking about the behaviour I see on this thread and not the location of people's uteruses.

???????

Utterly bobbins

Emmamoo89 · 15/01/2023 16:20

Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:12

This thread has just gone from bad to worse.

It is totally possible to be concerned about safety in changing rooms and seek to find solutions to that without being transphobic. Some posters have managed that, suggesting perhaps that the design of changing rooms needs to be changed. Others sadly cannot, and feel the need to say that trans women can never be women, etc. I have reported a couple of comments and they have been taken down, but I have much better things to do with my Sundays than to trawl through the post reporting everything.

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males (and sadly, from the comments on this thread, verbal abuse from females too). Personally, I would feel safer around trans women who still have penises than male-presenting penis owners, being aware that those who suffer abuse are at the hands of men are way less likely to perpetrate it against others. I understand from some of the articles linked here that there are exceptions, but as someone else has pointed out, we have very little hard data about how common this actually is.

I hope none of those who have made such statements ever have trans children, because it would be pretty traumatic for those children to come out to parents with such vile views.

No one is being transphobic

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 16:21

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Quinoawoman · 15/01/2023 16:21

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 15/01/2023 16:19

No.

Just no.

That's complete and utter tosh!

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And that's a logical response in a debate, is it?

Over and out. No arguing with stupid.

I mean 'just no.' What?

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 16:21

Hint. Its mens problem to solve.

Whyjustwhy123 · 15/01/2023 16:22

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MALE not make

lifeturnsonadime · 15/01/2023 16:23

Over and out. No arguing with stupid.

Women who believe in biological reality rather than identity are not stupid.

Women who say No to men who believe in identity over material reality are not stupid.