To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

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nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

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Absolutely

@Limesodas
One tiny glance at this thread or anything whatsoever on social media will tell you that the vast vast majority of people do not agree with you whatsoever.

Very well put!😄

I’m guessing @limesodas is not female. No woman would have such an aggressive anti safe spaces for women stance. If they’re a trans woman then they don’t possess a female psyche.

@Limesodas fair enough not to care who's next to you. Not sure I would either.

Do you care if that person then sticks a camera under the curtain to film you then wanks over it / shares online?

Do you care if they open your curtain deliberately to get an eyeful then claim it was a mistake?

Do you care if it's your 12 year old daughter / neice / friend and that man then takes his penis out and gives it a few strokes before moving away?

All of the above is made far more likely by having mixed sex / self ID changing rooms as no one can challenge the man. If it was a single sex changing area, someone would generally stop them before they got that close.

Identity is made up and irrelevant. Sex is a REALITY, and these spaces are SEX-based spaces, not 'identity'-based spaces. No woman has the obligation to validate a male body's identity.

Would you validate an anorexic girl who 'identifies' as fat? What about a 51 year old male who 'identifies' as a nappy-wearing 2 year old? Or how about Rachel Dolezal? How far do you go in validating delusions? Do you ever apply critical thinking? If how a person 'identifies' threatens the REALITY of a vulnerable group, then the vulnerable group has priority.

My DD who is 13 has just started to go shopping with friends on their own.

last weekend they were trying on bras.

Those who say we are over reacting are you seriously suggesting that it is ok for 13 year old girls to possibly be exposed to penises?

Jez if this is seen as a ‘Victorian overreaction’ we are really fucked.

To quote a very intelligent woman, I support trans rights but wish to protect womens and girls rights to safety.

bring transphobic is transphobia, not homophobia, isn't it? It's always illegal to get todgers out in public so call the police. amen that do this are probably not trans at all. It's like this; bad people might pretend to be something they are not & commit crimes. They should be arrested. Trans people are not this. I have been in changing rooms with a 5 yo kid and turned round to find a woman practically dangling her tits in my kids face, while getting something out of her locker. This is as bad as the todger thing to my mind. My advice, call the police where PEOPLE break the law. leave trans people alone.

Changing rooms need a complete overhaul, doors with locks on each one, just like in the toilets! You don’t have just a flimsy curtain to pull across when you’re sitting down to pee, you’re far more exposed getting changed imo!

If there has to be communal changing rooms then it needs to be staffed properly, but I doubt this would be possible!

I like M&S changing rooms, and the one I use always has a least two members of staff as you walk in, doors with locks and a curtain within for bra fitting.

I wouldn’t want to get changed in a communal area unless there were proper facilities.

Wanting single sex changing rooms is not transphobic.

YANBU I don’t use changing rooms anymore as too many perverts about. Not worth the risk. My teenage daughter won’t use them either.

YANBU!

It's not the job of women to protect men!

Your Male Privilege is quite clear in your post. It's quite clear you have absolutely no understanding of how vulnerable women are.

With your 1% to 80%, I ask you HOW MANY is enough for you? For most women, even 1 attack, ever, is 1 too many. Rules and safeguarding are made on the worst case scenario (that even one attack would happen justifies it), the fact that 'male' and 'female' are segregated, shows that it's about stopping ANY attacks.

leave trans people alone.

Can they leave opposite sex spaces alone then? Stick to their biological sex changing room.

The problem is, how can we tell? Which is why the standard KEEP ALL MEN OUT is the most sensible line and the fairest line.

No. The costs will be passed onto the customer in increased pricing.
Their margins won't be affected.

Well said! Actually I'm glad we have such muppets pushing for self ID as it makes it less likely that anyone will listen.

I mean what a shame, the number of women & girls on here who are self excluding from what should be single sex spaces to appease an alleged minority of males who claim to be women.

This is literally putting the wishes of males before the safety of women and girls.

Any male who imposes themselves on women in this way is a predatory male, and obviously gets a kick out of imposing themselves on women.

@Burgoo " Feelings do not mean facts. "

No precisely our point and an excellent reason not to allow men into womens changing rooms/toilets/hospital wards/sports teams, etc., etc., etc!

This.

Just because “not all” women do not feel vulnerable getting undressed in a public changing room/space is absolutely no reason for allowing men (however they identify) into those spaces. Plenty women do feel vulnerable, that’s enough.