To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

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nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

The woke brigade at it again creating problems for themselves

There’s a reason why spaces, sports etc are negatively affecting women having to share with trans women and men aren’t up in arms about trans men sharing their space and sports, I wonder 🤔

YANBU

i’ve a preteen and in clothes stores that have mixed sex changing rooms and only curtains across, I make sure I’m standing outside for her protection.

Over and out. No arguing with stupid

Says the person who thinks that children with gender disporia is the same as "trans children"

YANBU to want to feel safe in changing rooms, but I hate when people seem to think that having male/ female changing rooms is the solution.
If a man wants to walk into female changing rooms and assault someone, they will do so, regardless of what sign is over the door. What’s needed, quite simply, are doors. With interior locks on them. Cubicles where people can get changed, with no worry about who is on the other side of them, because it doesn’t affect them.
There’s a huge furore over “unisex” toilets etc, well, logically, if a toilet being unisex is such a threat, then disabled people would be being attacked every day in them. But they’re not, because there’s a door on it, that they can lock.
Im truly sorry to hear about your past experiences, but in reality, a man who does these things will do them regardless.
I’ve been sexually abused by a relative. Flashed by a stranger in public. And assaulted on several occasions, in various places. The whole “public toilet” thing is being blown up out of all proportion, to stir up more hate against a vulnerable group of people under far more threat than a woman will ever be, just for being who they are.

How about trans people leave women alone?

A very few can but mostly I think they’re caught up in a social contagion that fetishistic men are encouraging strenuously to sanitise their own agendas. After all, normal, kind people want to support children and never add to their pain so are reluctant to question the many wording contradictions in gender ideology.

The whole “public toilet” thing is being blown up out of all proportion, to stir up more hate against a vulnerable group of people under far more threat than a woman will ever be, just for being who they are.

Jesus, you realise that you've said this out loud?

I’m talking about a conventional changing space with curtained or doored cubicles.

yes, I’m fine with that.

If we’re talking about a large open space with no privacy for changing, no I am not ok with that even if it’s single sex. But tbh, I’ve never seen this in a clothes shop.

@CathChak Evidence shows trans women commit sex offences at a HIGHER RATE than other males. fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/ Perhaps you should do some research instead of throwing women under the bus to appear to #bekind to men at vulnerable womens expenses. And if you can't see the difference between a woman and a todger that can rape women, I don't know how else to help you see reason.

I will never accept mixed sex when single sex has been fine for <so long I cant Express it>

Not even for me. I personally give zero shits, but you know those women and children who do not consent? They matter too. And they deserve to be out and about and they need (not want) single sex spaces where it's always been single sex.
They also should have the right to sports and prisons and hospital wards.

While I have breath in my body I will fight this, for them.

It only needs to happen once for Women to self exclude. .

I no longer go to our local swimming pool, family changing village, but tops of all the cubicals are open (not floor to ceiling). A couple of men were looking over the top while people were changing, staff were trying to deal with them, but why would I go back and risk that humiliating experience again?

I know a couple of women who now avoid Changing rooms, possibly an overreaction, but after years of having the messaging that were are responsible for our own safety (don't walk home alone, don't wear certain clothes, let someone know when you will be home) How can we relax knowing that those spaces leave us partially clothed and vulnerable after having the life long directive not to put ourselves into those situations? Men are rarely taught this.

That visceral feeling of threat is a defensive mechanism for most Women.

@BillyNotQuiteNoMates " If a man wants to walk into female changing rooms and assault someone, they will do so, regardless of what sign is over the door. "

However, what you fail to acknowledge is that at the moment, women have the right to challenge that mans presence and ask for him to be removed, by allowing men into womens spaces, you are taking away that right!

YANBU

I never use changing rooms anymore, mostly order online and return. And tbh it means I hardly ever go into any shops other than supermarket as a shopping trip is no fun anymore. Recently had someone drop their phone and it slipped under the cubicle wall just into my stall. Intentional with camera running? (person using cubicle was unusually tall for a woman but I only saw them from behind) Or accidental, few years ago I’d have thought nothing of it.

Trans people are not this. I have been in changing rooms with a 5 yo kid and turned round to find a woman practically dangling her tits in my kids face, while getting something out of her locker. This is as bad as the todger thing to my mind.

I don’t believe this happened. And even if it did it is nothing like the same! Breasts are primarily for feeding infants, they are not sex organs. You appear to be asserting that no woman or girl should ever have the right to decide for themselves if and in what context they see an adult male’s genitals? Are you? Are you saying that women/girls may never decide whether or not they see penises?

The whole "men will do it anyway" argument is fucking tedious at this point.

What the fuck has happened to women's brains over the last 20 years? JFC it's like theire brains have been sucked out by aliens and replaced with cold custard.

Lots of people also screaming about women's rights and abuse without factoring in the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males

But then surely the answer is to tackle male violence and abuse and make the world safer for everyone

But that affects men, so instead let's pretty much ignore that and put trans people ahead women and girls instead

And for those that argue that no one in the trans community can possibly pose a risk to women and girls, how ironic that TRAs immediate go to is threats of rape whenever they see someone saying something they don't like.... perhaps the trans community should look at their allies and shut that down if they want people to worry less

Oh dear. I might just have accidentally stepped on that...

@Quinoawoman But it is a BIOLOGICAL and FACTUAL TRUTH that trans women can never be women. Are you seriously arguing against chromosomes, DNA and biological fact?

My view is that any genuine transgender man who still has male genitals would be sensitive enough not to flash in a female changing room.

" If a man wants to walk into female changing rooms and assault someone, they will do so, regardless of what sign is over the door

They why do most sex assaults that happen in toilets and changing rooms happen in mixed sex ones? Why don't those pervert men assault women at the same rate in women's only changing rooms? Could it be that opportunity is a big factor in sex assaults?

Of course they are, dear. And very handsome ones, too