To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

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nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Brilliantly put 👏

I do respect women who don't agree with me. I might not agree with them, but I do respect them. I don't believe that means they should have the right to trample on others and be offensive to people who don't agree with them, but I respect everyones right to an opinion. Im sorry if that doesnt fit in the box.

But you're also being offensive. Where is your respect there?

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"Ok. I’m sorry you’re feeling vulnerable and are struggling to accept times are changing faster than you’re able to adapt to them."

@Janesy123 I'm sorry that you object to women saying no to men colonising our spaces and compromising our safety, whilst framing it as us being unable to adapt. Why should we have to adapt to men getting their cocks out in our spaces, why should my daughter have to adapt to this?
Please explain.

I wonder if shops will eventually work out that it’s costing too much money to continue with this ridiculous notion that changing rooms should be mixed sex.
Women today are buying online instead of using changing rooms, and returning stuff that does not fit - which can cost the retailers as much as £10-15 per return to process.

@Janesy123 · Today 20:00
I don’t think a trans person would put themselves through the kind of social, medical, financial and personal hell it takes to transition simply so they can perve at cis women in changing rooms.

The majority don't make any effort to do any of that, moustache/full beard it matters not, they say they're women, we have to accept them. No thanks!
And btw, the term cis is offensive!

Isn't it ironic how men have insisted on us being segregated, so as to maintain our purity, and now some men are so pissed off that we wish to remain segregated, so as to maintain our safety?

I didnt use that phrase, or anything like it.

I said that bringing in an issue we obviously all accept is abhorrent is unfair, because it is a discussion silencer, and i stand by that.

There is a difference between the posters even on this thread who have told their own stories of rape/fear and using it as a general discussion.

We are coming from the same point of view - rape shouldnt be used in a wider discussion. I stand by that.

Yet I don't, because I agree with single spaces if you'd have bothered to read my posts.
I'm not confusing, I'm just not black and white and accept that these discussions are not clear cut, like the majority of people outside these forums.

How am I being offensive?

It is offensive to women to suggest they should put aside their instinct for safety for the feelings of any single member of the sex class who commit nearly all sexual assault regardless of identity. That is why pp assumed you were male, it's that offensive. Saying no isnt about trampling feelings. It just isn't. Not allowing other women to consent on our behalf? Also not offensive.

@findmybalance sounds like an incel. I don't think we should give him anymore attention.

You've used the term cis, after being told people found it offensive and then argued it's use.

Agreed. It was a bit amusing at first. I'm getting bored now.

YANBU. I'm sick to death of this change in culture that seem in more places than just the US. Girls and women deserve same-sex spaces in changing rooms and other places where it matters. I've had plenty of creepy men show up in places like this and I've had it.

@FlirtsWithRhinos TRA is an offensive term.

I am not, nor are others with these views, TRAs.

Your point was that if trans had said and done a b and c then we would have done a b and c is fair enough, yet when we suggest that women could be less offensive and more understanding in their views towards trans people, we are accused of trying to make them "be kind".

This argument becomes circular because of the total lack of middle ground, created by both sides.

I do agree with single sex spaces. all i have actually said is that I think some of the way trans peopl and men are referred to on this thread is offensive, and that I think the changing rooms debate is wider than a "no", and apparently that's so offensive I deserved several attacks. That is indicative of the wider problem.

It's interesting that the trans side is accused of silencing women when I, as a woman, have been silenced and demeaned with these comments for no real concrete reason.
I'm not even sure Vino is entirely sure what an incel is.

We shouldn't be allowed to mention rape in a discussion about allowing the sex class which commits all rape into spaces where the sex class who are overwhelmingly the victims of male rape are undressed and vulnerable? Because it shuts down discussion? What you mean is it's so clearly the reason we are arguing for safeguarding that no other argument has any moral merit whatsoever so you best shut it down. This isn't coming across as the empathetic compassion you think it is.

I pointed out that I highlighed transphobic posts and was effectively laughed at for using the word transphobe, yet when a poster (not me) usd the word cisgender I asked the difference between the two - why is one dismissed and one not?

That is not offensive,and if it is, then you need to ask why some people have the casting authority over views to others.

I know what an incel is. You haven't been silenced. You've been challenged on your, quite frankly, ridiculous comments and statements which you don't like.

You're not the first and won't be the last.

No, the posts you were highlighting were stating fact. They were not transphobic. Try again