To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

What is insisting on discounting biological reality (no need for the quote marks) if not Be Kind?

Interesting there is debate on the transphobic belief but not the cisgender one. Wonder why.

If you are a man and you believe you are a woman, that is a fantasy.

We get it, you don't agree that they are trans

I don't believe that "trans" is a meaningful category when it comes to my boundaries as a woman.

@Grumpybutfunny So give me an example of a single human who is not the product of the conjunction of class of humans that produces small gametes and the class of humans that produces large gametes and is not gestated and delivered by a member of the class of humans that produces large gametes.
It really doesn't get more sexually binary than that.

I have empathy for male people in the abstract, regardless of gender identity.

In the specifics, I have zero empathy for males intimidating women in traditionally single-sex spaces when we are undressing or otherwise vulnerable.

If you want to get really upset about my lack of empathy for men, I also have zero empathy for people of either sex who engage in fox hunting, big game trophy hunters, and people who talk at the theatre. Oh, and I get really annoyed with people who start forest fires through sheer carelessness. Oh, and people who let their dogs worry sheep.

There's no such thing as "cisgender" outside of your ideology. It's meaningless.

Then you're transphobic. IRS as simple as that.

Haha I'm not but hey I'm not offended if you call me that.

Because "Be kind" is trotted out on here as a suggestion we are telling all women to be kind regardless of anything at their own safety.

It isn't. As is possible in most places, discussing an issue without being deliberately (or fake "but why is it offensive") is possible. Its not about "being kind", which has been claimed by womens rights' activists as a false attribute that was never expected of them in the first place.

Kind is the wrong word. Compassionate and the ability to empathise even if you disagree might be a start.

then it shoudn't be offensive.

@Grumpybutfunny " What I'm more concerned about from a safety perspective is the teenager looking jumpy with his hands in his pockets or the blatant gangster at the end of the platform. Do they have a weapon, are they waiting for someone, have they been threatened and we could be caught up in a drive-bye etc. "

Yeah, you say that but you've just invited them into a smaller, more difficult to escape from space! Well let's hope karma knows the right doors to knock on, eh? Also of note that you identified this possible miscreant as male but would still want him in a female changing room with you! smh!

That would be fair enough if trans was invented as a direct threat to you being a woman.

It's offensive to put labels on people that they reject and which are part of an ideology they reject. Surely you can empathise with that?

then it shoudn't be offensive.

That's a complete non sequitur. Being labelled with meaningless nonsense that implies you participate in a belief system you find nonsensical and absurd can be offensive, obviously.

Then we agree, but unfortunately all don't show your level of insight, critical thought and ability to see all sides of an argument.

In that case, I declare you to be aphoragender.

findmybalance · Today 20:11

^IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · Today 20:10
In case you didn't realise, 'cis' is a sexist slur. It's not about 'time's changing', it's about you buying into misogynist and offensive tropes.^

Interesting there is debate on the transphobic belief but not the cisgender one. Wonder why.

How interesting that you reused the word ‘cisgender’ back to someone who’d just told you they find it offensive.

Of course it's offensive. We do not need a new word for woman.

Then should all atheists be offended?

I should certainly be offended at how regularly I am called a MRA, given that I dont believe in it.

Women. Be compassionate and able to empathise with men who wish to use your spaces. No, that's not Be Kind.

Except it is. We are constantly being told, by men, that their feelings of gender trump our feelings of safety and dignity. That 'it's not black and white' and that we can't have a blanket, sex based rule in some spaces, because some men's mental health is equal to women's safety from men. By you, on this very thread.

is the Oxford dictionary an ideology?

That would be fair enough if trans was invented as a direct threat to you being a woman.

I didn't say it was. I said it was meaningless. Men are a statistical threat to me, as a woman, and in my belief system they are simply adult human male people, regardless of their own personal feelings about it.

If we agree, what have you done this week to campaign against male rapists being placed in women's prisons?

They really can't win, can they?

Cis was used to distinguish from transwomen because everyone was so up in arms that one might dare to call themselves a women. They wanted their extra special word to distiguish from those awful transwoman, they got one.

Stamping your feet and saying I'm a woman and you're not doesnt make trans go away.