To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Don't let this thread get derailed. There are posters on mumsnet who's sole purpose is to find a thread they can argue on and post nasty derogatory comments.

YY. I already suspect at least one poster on this thread to be a frequent name changer with a familiar style.

Being childish and rude doesnt make your position any stronger

Calling people transphobic for wanting sex based spaces isn't doing you any favours either.

You have called me a number of names on this thread, they are bouncing off me. Interesting you dont care about my rights. It appears you support all woman except any who dare question you.

I dkdnt question the discussion. The only time I have used the term is for the two posters who claimed they didnt give a fuck about trandwomen (or men, which is an embarrassing statement really.and shows the immaturity) that is transphobic.

If one said they didnt give a fuck about gay people or black people theyd be racist or homophobic,.so what's the difference? Because you've decided they dont exist? You being women and therefore right?

Okay then.

That's what you yourself need to consider about yourself. Being childish, rude, belligerent, and without empathy for women doesn't make your already untenable position any stronger.

What tosh. Gender ideology is literally telling women to ignore our instincts, drop our boundaries and pretend male bodies are not an inherent threat. We should be teaching our girls to safeguard themselves, trust those instincts and boundaries, not putting up signs in university toilets telling them to suck it up. More deflection. It's not trying to make women feel weak, it's safeguarding 101.

I think males are also entitled to same sex spaces, as a male poster above me stated he preferred. I can't be the only person who's read complaints from gay males about female transpeople attending clubs and saunas meant for gay males, and how uncomfortable it made them. Not afraid, mind. Just uncomfortable. The stories are out there.

Are these gay males entitled to have their own spaces, free from females (irrespective of how they identify)?

Absolutely, but it's up to them to police it among themselves. As a principle, yes I believe both sexes need some spaces to be single sex.

I don't want mixed sex changing rooms.

Brain fart!

YY, this.

I would be if that's what happened.

I don't deny same sex spaces, as youd see if you read my posts.

I just think it's a bigger discussion than it currently is. But thats just my opinion which it appears you're not allowed.

You are now gaslighting and practicing DARVO. You're the one who has called me a number of names.

If seeking to protect a vulnerable class is transphobia then I'm a transphobe

Well said.

Do you know who teaches girls and women to be wary of men?

MEN.

Your post is nothing more than gaslighting. The caution women feel is not paranoia. The verage age at which girls first experience sexual harassment and assault from men is 11 years old. A survey found that 86% of young women had experienced sexual harassment, or assault (including rape) in a public place in the last year.

And for goodness sake, it wasn't an accident in the changing room. I have never pulled the curtain back on an occupied cubicle in my entire life, because if the curtains are drawn closed, I never barge in. Who tf does? If you truly think there is a possibility the curtains are drawn closed on an empty cubicle, you ask is anybody in there?

True.

Well yes, Eresh, fully agree that it's up to gay males to shut that particular nonsense down.

I guess I was hoping one of the TRA on the thread would actually answer. I suspect it's yet another question that's just to darn hard to answer. Still, I'll try again.

Gay males - allowed their own spaces ie saunas and clubs and dating pools, free from female sexed individuals?

Or not?

Same sex spaces is the very topic of this thread. So if it's a bigger discussion then that's the point of this thread.

Hang on.

I've been called a list of offensive names on this thread and havent been halfway as offensive back, even as far to say I advocate rape. I used the word transphobic for the specific statement of not giving a fuck about trans people, which I stand by because it is.

I'm now being accused of derailing (read, not an echo chamber).

Why is it so offensive that people might have slightly differing opinions on what is a massive topic?

Re- name change, not guilty.

I had the same as @pishkashalante in Abercombe and Fitch. Just ripped the curtain open but I was not fully dressed. I had to hold a top over me as I was in a bra. He didn't apologise or close the curtain just looked and walked off! I won't use curtained changing rooms now if men are allowed in

Constantly gaslighting and shifting ground. It's what people who have no real argument do, which is basic TRA ground. We will have the old bodily autonomy and abortion rights under threat if we naughty feminists refuse to sterilise children next.

RTT, women have had phones put under and over where they are changing filming them and put on YouTube. Women and children have had the curtains pulled aside whilst in a state of undress. Also we are talking about public toilets as well and they would make me feel even more vulnerable.

I thought it was about safety. Transwomen feeling unsafe from men. (Of course, there's also the wanting to live life as a woman aspect, but I genuinely believe safety is an issue - trans women and trans women are attacked, and, as with biological women, the attackers are mostly men. We're all basically worried about men... at least that's how it seems to me.)

I said your posting was childish because it is.

I didnt say anything nearly as damning as you.

Throwing gas lighting around doesnt make your points any stronger. You have attacked me from the off.

TW are males. If they weren't, what are they transitioning to or from?