Page 24 | To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

WandaWomblesaurus · 2023-01-15T08:34:59+00:00

https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/ Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive. YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings. YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:05

And again, comparing a biological, identifying male enabled by a biological identifying female to the presence of a trans women in a changing room
..the relevance?

I'm not in the least interested in "identities". That's your ideology, not mine. There are biological females who gullibly enable some biological males who use our spaces to indulge sexual fetishes in whichever way best pleases them, so it's relevant in that sense at least, isn't it?

At no point was what Huntley did himself used as a direct comparison to MTFs, that's purely your disingenuous spin. But there absolutely are biological males in prison who have preyed on children, who now identify as women. Sexual violence is 98% perpetrated by male people, "identity" is irrelevant. The point is about safeguarding. Which you clearly don't understand.

Well it was brought in as some form of point proving, which I'm missing as there are still children and women killed in high numbers so I'm not entirely sure we have learned anything from Huntley. But you know.

The fact you dont believe in trans or identity means you will never understand the complexities of it. The fact you insult other women by saying they are gullible or indeed enable rapists is offensive.

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findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:09

Whatsnewpussyhat · 15/01/2023 18:58

Not all women feel vulnerable in a changing room, I’m used to mixed sex changing rooms and see this as a lot of hysteria

So because 'some' women don't feel vulnerable, you think 'all' women should be ok with mixed sex facilities?
Why do you think all the women who are vulnerable, or who simply want privacy and dignity away from males, should put their own feelings aside to accommodate the feelings of 'some' males?

Why are the male people allowed to feel unsafe in facilities with other men but when women say they feel unsafe in facilities with men they are 'bigots' or 'hysterical'. Why do the feelings of said male's overrule and override those of female's? Why?

Dismissing women's feelings and fears on the subject as hysteria is pure misogyny.

I bet half of these people don't even know any trans people

I know a grown man whose claim of womanhood is an obvious sexual paraphilia, and a few teenage girls who have grasped onto gender identity ideology as an unhealthy coping mechanism for their childhood trauma.
They are all trans under the big Stonewall umbrella.

Feelings do not mean facts. I can “feel” threatened but it does not mean I AM threatened

Yes, exactly!
Feelings do not mean facts. A man can say he "feels" like a woman but it does not mean he IS a woman.

I hate the pretence that men who claim to have a 'gender identity' are a completely harmless, vulnerable group that are somehow so different to other men that they should, without question, be suddenly exempt from all the rules other men are subject too. Why.

Why do people go along with such obvious absurdities. The only ones to benefit from removal of female only spaces are MEN.

Men are demanding access to female only spaces and the reason we must comply? Because being told NO hurts their feelings.
They don't NEED access, they WANT it.
They want all boundaries of women and children removed.

But women dont NEED single spaces either. They want it.

Pp makes a valid point about feelings only being valid on one side.

OneTC · 15/01/2023 19:09

Grumpybutfunny · 15/01/2023 19:05

@Britinme that is relevant to the argument how? This is about what goes on in public not behind closed doors.

@MadameMaxGoesler luckily science and society does agree sex changes can, do and should happen.

Maybe XX individuals should just be stronger. I lift and fight for fun. It is never the lone man following behind me or the old creepy guy in the corner of the pub I would be worried about. A few quick moves and he would regret it. What I'm more concerned about from a safety perspective is the teenager looking jumpy with his hands in his pockets or the blatant gangster at the end of the platform. Do they have a weapon, are they waiting for someone, have they been threatened and we could be caught up in a drive-bye etc.

The top and bottom of this is we as a society see boobs, penises etc as sexual objects. How is a bloke in a changing room seeing my bra any different to him seeing my bikini or if adults only me sun bathing topless. It isn't. I would love DS to grow up in a world where men and woman can walk around how they see fit without issue. Where modesty isn't a concern. Where a XY, XX, XXY etc who has made the decision to transition is treated equally and fairly as the sex they are assuming.

It is becoming more clear that gender is an identity that we assign at birth.

Yeah I think I'd the world was a utopia where people (men) didn't do horrible shit to people (often women) then no one would have any concerns with anyone being anywhere.

However back in the real world...

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:09

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:05

Only if you count all woman as one single group with identical thoughts and feelings. I dont

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This is what you don't get. It's not about 'thoughts' and 'feelings'. It's about BIOLOGICAL REALITY.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:09

luckily science and society does agree sex changes can, do and should happen.

No they don't

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:09

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Marital rape worked well for years too.

The world moves on.

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:10

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:09

This is what you don't get. It's not about 'thoughts' and 'feelings'. It's about BIOLOGICAL REALITY.

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Then you wont mind a man being in your changing room, will you?

FuckNuggets · 15/01/2023 19:10

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VinoDino · 15/01/2023 19:11

But women dont NEED single spaces either. They want it.

Yes. Yes they do. It's like conversing with a toddler.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:11

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:08

Well it was brought in as some form of point proving, which I'm missing as there are still children and women killed in high numbers so I'm not entirely sure we have learned anything from Huntley. But you know.

The fact you dont believe in trans or identity means you will never understand the complexities of it. The fact you insult other women by saying they are gullible or indeed enable rapists is offensive.

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Their complexities, are not our problem.

If you believe any male body, regardless of how they 'identify', should be allowed in womens spaces, yes, you are enabling racists and you need to own that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:11

The fact you dont believe in trans or identity means you will never understand the complexities of it. The fact you insult other women by saying they are gullible or indeed enable rapists is offensive.

It simply means that I disbelieve that males can categorically be women.

PoIIyPandemonium · 15/01/2023 19:12

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rumporolypolyofthebailey · 15/01/2023 19:12

The threat and fear of sexual crime is something I believe most women live with and have strategies for. Mostly born of personal experience. So we are careful with who and how we interact, where we walk at night etc etc.

Recently using a gender neutral loo I felt vulnerable. I felt that I was putting myself at risk. Just that, no hate for trans-people just that my life now feels more risky. How is that fair? I am guessing that a trans women would feel vulnerable like I did in a mens loo. Making women feel like that is not the answer to this though.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:12

The world moves on.

But it hasn't. Check the polls.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:12

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:09

But women dont NEED single spaces either. They want it.

Pp makes a valid point about feelings only being valid on one side.

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WRONG! We both want it, and NEED IT.

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:11

The fact you dont believe in trans or identity means you will never understand the complexities of it. The fact you insult other women by saying they are gullible or indeed enable rapists is offensive.

It simply means that I disbelieve that males can categorically be women.

Thats a separate argument though.

tillytown · 15/01/2023 19:13

I don't understand why people are now pretending they don't know why female only spaces were made in the first place. Nor do I understand why women wanting their own spaces are somehow bigots?
It's OK to not center males in every area of our lives, it's OK to have female only spaces. Its a proven fact that when spaces become mixed sex males dominant and females self exclude, everyone understood this five minutes ago, so what's with all the people pretending women are evil for not wanting this to happen? I seriously don't get it

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:14

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This. In thousand foot high letters on a mountain face.

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:14

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:10

Then you wont mind a man being in your changing room, will you?

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Um, biological reality MEANS men can't be in womens change rooms.

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You dont speak for all women. The arrogance is strong.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 15/01/2023 19:14

Here is how Pxxk News reported on the convicted sex offender who had an erection in front of a child in a women's section of a Korean Spa on 7th July 2021. (By the way, the spa had a women's section, a men's section and a mixed-sex section. Mx Sex Offender refused to used the mixed sex section.) Seeing as there is controversy over dates.

Furious protestors staged a demonstration outside a Los Angeles spa after a customer recorded herself screaming at staff for not being transphobic.

In the video, uploaded to Twitter in June, the woman can be heard shouting at staff working at Wi Spa after she saw a trans woman undressing in their facilities.

The woman can be heard interrogating an employee on why they were allowing trans people to use the spa. She also repeatedly misgendered the customer, claiming cis women visiting the premises were “highly offended”.

“There is no such thing as transgender,” the woman can be heard shouting at a bystander who pointed out that the person she spoke of was actually a woman.

“I’m a woman who knows how to stand up and speak up for my rights. As a woman I have a right to feel comfortable without [her] exposing [herself].”

The video quickly went viral on social media after it was shared by Ian Miles Cheong, and within days it had lit a fire under anti-trans activists in the area.

Many of those sharing the video and responding to it repeatedly misgendered the unnamed trans woman who visited the spa, while countless others posted dehumanising anti-trans slurs.

Protesters descended on Los Angeles after the video was broadcast on Fox News

On 29 June, commentator Tucker Carlson broadcast the shocking video footage on Fox News, claiming the woman’s rant was “amazing” and made his day.

Far-right groups and pro-LGBT+ counter-protesters descended outside the spa in Koreatown on Saturday (3 July) as the furore grew in intensity.

archive.ph/o/MJ7wy/www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/07/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2023 19:14

Thats a separate argument though.

No, it isn't.

findmybalance · 15/01/2023 19:14

IAmWomanHearMeRoar1 · 15/01/2023 19:14

Um, biological reality MEANS men can't be in womens change rooms.

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In your opinion.

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