To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Japan doesn't do mixed sex bathing in onsen. Heck, they even have to do seperate sex train carriages at rush hour in Tokyo because men will take the opportunity to grope (have experienced it. Was horrible, made me want to punch the grinning fucker), as is the case in many densely populated countries like India that also have to have women-only carriages. Given the opportunity, a (male) sexual predator, pretty much 99.99% of the time a man, with a penis, will use ANY opportunity to attack. They love it. It turns them on.

A recent Japanese "transwoman" who claims "she" is "trans" (and indeed lives as a "transwoman") went into a female only onsen and was talking about all the beautiful bouncy boobies "she" got to see, that "she" was in "breast heaven" etc etc etc. The language "she" used to describe the women was horrible. Peaches and melons etc. This is what hppens though. Extremely few men are truly, truly trans. For most it's sexual, a turn on, to dress up and pretend to be a woman. We cannot know the difference between who is really "trans" and the 99.9% of men who pretend to be a woman and aren't "trans". The only sensible thing to do, and what women have HAD to do for all of history, is assume all men are suspicious until we know them personally.

And even then they sometimes turn out to be predators.

It shouldn't be up to us to accommodate these guys. It shouldn't be up to us to "be kind" etc. But, then, no one cares about women, or our safety. If we've been through sexual assault and involuntarily shake at an obvious man being right next to us in an enclosed space like a toilet, well, that's our fault for being "triggered". I saw a whole diatribe the other day about how it's not up to society to accommodate anyone who has PTSD - and they meant women who had been through rape and couldn't physically bring themselves to be in a changing room with a penis-haver.

Your argument is the one that is circular. No one is 'anti trans'. We are pro womens rights. Sorry you don't understand that. However misogynists like you are flocking to the trans movement so you can attack womens rights in a way that you couldn't get away with if you were blatantly misogynistic. You use the trans issue as a cover for your misogyny.

Well yes, and male people have a greater propensity to do these particular abhorrent things, which is why most women don't want to share changing rooms with them. How is that fact not relevant?

RinklyRomaine · Today 18:38

Why is keeping spaces sex based anti trans?

It's not, it's just emotive deflection and victim blaming.

Increasing equality for gays and people of colour didn't come at a cost to anyone except racists and homophobes.

Self ID and a loss of single sex spaces and sporting competitions directly impacts women as a class.

That's not like any previous drive for equality in history

@findmybalance what posts are anti-trans? You keep peddling this. What exactly is anti-trans?

And 47,000 women a year are killed by their intimate partners or family members. Your point? www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/UN_BriefFem_251121.pdf

findmybalance · Today 18:44

ScrollingLeaves · Today 18:42

findmybalance · Today 18:31
I have to say, I agree.
I am of course sorry to anyone who has been violated in any way, in this case the OP, but I cannot get behind an anti trans campaign. And it is an anti trans campaign, whichever way people attempt to pretend it ksnt

This is the final paragraph of an article published by The Observer 22 December 2022 which imo puts matters well.

(my bold)

“The Observer view on Scotland’s controversial proposed gender reforms”

“The respectful compromise would be to introduce a form of legal self-identification for gender identity for trans people while clarifying that this does not change someone’s sex for the purposes of the Equality Act. A clear distinction between gender identity and biological sex in law would balance the legitimate rights of trans people and those of women, protecting both groups against discrimination but establishing beyond doubt that it is lawful to provide female-only services for women as a matter of privacy, dignity and safety. But in Scotland and Westminster, self-described progressive politicians have proved too gutless to advocate balance and compromise. It is marginalised women – in prison, in domestic abuse services, and who require intimate care as a result of disability – who will bear the consequences of their cowardice.”

Unsure the relevance.

The relevance is that instead of dismissing reasons why women need some sex based spaces where no men of whatever identity can go as being transphobic, as it appears you were doing in your post, it would be wiser to take the approach suggested in the article.

No children or women have been killed by men then, since? That would be Ian Huntley the biological and identifying male who was enabled in his crime by a biological and identifying woman.The relevance being?

No it is NOT unfair. It's unfair that it happened, in the first place! Womens spaces were created to prevent rape, in the first place. Which is why it is important to keep single-SEX spaces.

Indeed, @PoIIyPandemonium

Still a sex-based slur. What a surprise.

How am I being rude and insulting?

In the real world, trans women sexually offend at a HIGHER RATE than other men.

That, is the reality.

No children or women have been killed by men then, since? That would be Ian Huntley the biological and identifying male who was enabled in his crime by a biological and identifying woman.The relevance being?

The relevance is how safeguarding works. Greater safeguarding measures were brought in after Soham.

Look at the dates of the articles. They aren’t covering the same event.

Here’s the Guardian article on the arrest.

You know, for balance.

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/person-charged-with-indecent-exposure-at-la-spa-after-viral-instagram-video

Don’t they teach critical thinking at school anymore?

@OneTC excellent summary, thank you

*Increasing equality for gays and people of colour didn't come at a cost to anyone except racists and homophobes.

Self ID and a loss of single sex spaces and sporting competitions directly impacts women as a class.

That's not like any previous drive for equality in history*

Its disingenuous. If, as suggested above, that womens only spaces were designed to prevent rape then surely no rapes took place in a contained single sex space pre to self.ID, yes?

Rape is a provocative subject used to silence females who domt agree with the narrative. We obviously agree that rape is wrong, we just don't agree with you. And for some people on these forums that is something they canr comprehend

Who is saying being trans is bad? Being trans doesn't give you free reign to go wherever you like, change the meaning of words, get everything you want. I don't think my dad and brother are bad. They still have no right to go in female spaces if they wake up tomorrow and decide they are a woman.

@Bingbangbongbash one would hope they teach basic biology. If you have a penis you’re male.

I'm sure they were but what have they prevented?

And again, comparing a biological, identifying male enabled by a biological identifying female to the presence of a trans women in a changing room
..the relevance?

Yanbu

Data proves there has been a massive jump in assaults in womens spaces since self-ID. Pointing that FACT out, isn't disingenuous. Pretending that the two don't have anything to do with each other, IS disingenuous.

Its disingenuous. If, as suggested above, that womens only spaces were designed to prevent rape then surely no rapes took place in a contained single sex space pre to self.ID, yes?

No that is disingenuous.