To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

This

Why is keeping spaces sex based anti trans? Identity is irrelevant in terms of risk, physical ability, harm prevention and all the important issues. Sex is what matters. It's MEN who need to stay out, whatever their identification with outdated and regressive gender stereotypes.

To be honest I don’t see why anyone needs to be showing their genitals in changing rooms. Why can’t people just get changed under a towel or use a beach dress?

It's because we dare to be heretics. Males are women because they say so, if you don't believe it because it's absurd and foolish you need to keep it to yourself.

I havent seen anything in the post to suggest the intimidation and bullying of women .

This is a primitive argument. There was 'no issues' with homophobia, misogyny or racism years ago either and things worked 'well'. The world has moved on.

findmybalance · Today 18:31
I have to say, I agree.
I am of course sorry to anyone who has been violated in any way, in this case the OP, but I cannot get behind an anti trans campaign. And it is an anti trans campaign, whichever way people attempt to pretend it ksnt

This is the final paragraph of an article published by The Observer 22 December 2022 which imo puts matters well.
(my bold)

The Observer view on Scotland’s controversial proposed gender reforms

The respectful compromise would be to introduce a form of legal self-identification for gender identity for trans people while clarifying that this does not change someone’s sex for the purposes of the Equality Act. A clear distinction between gender identity and biological sex in law would balance the legitimate rights of trans people and those of women, protecting both groups against discrimination but establishing beyond doubt that it is lawful to provide female-only services for women as a matter of privacy, dignity and safety. But in Scotland and Westminster, self-described progressive politicians have proved too gutless to advocate balance and compromise. It is marginalised women – in prison, in domestic abuse services, and who require intimate care as a result of disability – who will bear the consequences of their cowardice.

Yes indeed, why have separate changing rooms for the 2 sexes when we could all carry round special personal
modesty tents to unfurl and change under multiple times on a simple trip to Primark. Much easier than those ridiculous cumbersome single sex changing areas.

For the benefit of people who doubt it happens, here's a story about a rapist convicted of five rapes plus the sexual abuse of a sixth women. One of his rapes took place in a cinema toilet and another in a changing room. Oh, and he now identifies as a woman called Charlene and is bragging to his fellow inmates that he will soon be transferred to a woman's prison.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-25366945

Unsure the relevance.

Sorry - just realised that's a 2013 story so this is not a new thing.

No, it hasnt, because people are anti trans in a way they would never get away with being homophobic or racist. Circular argument.

@Grumpybutfunny "...also define when they become women, is it post surgery or post hormones?"
It's never.

Ian Huntley - killed 2 little girls - but the extensive legislation changes that happened as a result were to safeguard and prevent this ever happening again.

How many incidents will we read about where women are raped/attacked/assaulted/intimidated etc before we do something.

Answer: an infinite number. Because women don't matter. Only men do. And their feelings.

The emperor is naked everyone, open your eyes.

YANBU

And any man who “accidentally “ opens the fucking curtains on a changing cubicle is a deliberate sexual harasser.

ACCIDENTALLY my arse.

The world has 'moved on' from the hard fought and won rights women have? Really?

Comparing womens safe spaces and human rights with homophobia and racism shows how deluded you are and how you don't understand this topic. Suggesting women don't have the right to our hard fought for human rights, IS misogyny. That's what you're peddling. So own it.

The rapist argument is unfair. It's a discussion ender as obviously everyone believes that is absolutely abhorrent.

@oviraptor21 just look at Malte.C who died defending woman from homophobic attacks, a lot of the data is American but just look atwww.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/report-says-at-least-32-transgender-people-were-killed-in-the-u-s-in-2022
At least 32 peopled KILLED in the US in one year. Not sex attacks or unwanted attention actually killed. Yes I think they are more vulnerable than individuals born XX.

"Unfair" my arse. It's a simple description of the risks that women run when exposed to predatory male-bodied people in what they may think is a safe environment.

Theres no need to be rude and insulting.

In tbe real world, it isnt the case that women is good and trans bad. It just isnt. Insulting anyone who thinks otherwise isnt helpful.

It’s unfair to show real crimes that have taken place because it just highlights the very real women face?

Rapists rape women. Some use means to their advantage - be that mixed sex changing rooms or being able to self declare themselves women to gain access to women’s prisons. The only person this is unfair for is women.