To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Excellent post.

Touched a nerve

Touched a nerve

Yes

As I said, I was raped and sexually assaulted so it is important for me to keep them safe. I have done

Let's hope they don't make bad decisions in life and end up banged up with a rapist who suddenly identifies as a woman.

And as I said, you don't get to provide my consent.

HTH

If that is so, you'd understand that male bodies are a threat to women, and why our elder feminists fought so, so hard for women to have single-sex spaces and protections.

They might be sad one day that you didn't keep them safe and thought it was ok for them to lower their boundaries against male threats.

Well this seems to have hit home.

An important point though. Worth bearing in mind.

And even if statistically your daughters are unlikely to be affected by this, how many girls out there do you think would be acceptable collateral damage to allowing men in women's spaces.

How many assaults would you think are worth it? Let's have a number?

Mumsnet logic:

Transwomen: clearly a sinister threat at all times and in all situations

Men pretending to be women on MN to post multiple organised alt-right dog whistles per day: fine! Tra la la la.

No, it wasn't a "mistake". He knew full well what he was doing.

BillyNotQuiteNoMates

Except that whether you want to admit it or not, transgender women are actually far more likely to be the victim of a violent attack, in a public place, than a cis woman would be.

OK, if you're going to make that claim, please back it up with reputable facts and figures, ie not from Pink News, or your mate's blog. Whilst you're doing that, please do the same for your claim that there are a vast number of biologically proven genders.

Or out yourself as a bullshit merchant.

Thanks in advance.

So you thunk a transwoman is more likely to be attacked by a man in a men's toilet/changing room than a woman is to be attacked by a man in a women's toilet/changing room? I'd like to see your evidence/statistics for this. Or even some reports of such things happening. A number of examples of women being attacked have already been posted on this thread.

On a separate note - the plural of penis is most commonly penises (although penes can be used) but I did enjoy the following article on the matter www.straightdope.com/21343278/what-is-the-plural-of-penis
I have no idea how correct it is but it was interesting.

Stop misrepresenting. Mumsnet logic is the same logic that prevails in most of society. Which is, MEN are a threat to women and women are vulnerable and their rights, protections, privacy and dignity must be respected.

Comparing someone posting on a website to being in a womens safe space simply proves you do not understand it.

I’m interested to know if those arguing for men id’ing as women to be allowed in women’ changing rooms consider that the person in this photo is an actual woman?

I have to say, I agree.

I am of course sorry to anyone who has been violated in any way, in this case the OP, but I cannot get behind an anti trans campaign. And it is an anti trans campaign, whichever way people attempt to pretend it ksnt.

Transwomen: clearly a sinister threat at all times and in all situations

No one is saying that as you well know. If you have to make up shit, you don't have a point.

Self Id is open to abuse. However if you know how to tell the difference, on sight, between a 'real' TW and a man exploiting self ID for their own ends, please do share.

Every single time. Alt right my female ARSE. Women make an argument. Say no. Refuse consent. Which, the way, is the whole point of consent: the one who says no wins. Or it's rapey. Alt right. I mean come on, you don't believe that and it doesn't shame us. It's still no.

sorry, forgot to quote the link to the picture

I’m interested to know if those arguing for men id’ing as women to be allowed in women’ changing rooms consider that the person in this photo is an actual woman?

And it is an anti trans campaign, whichever way people attempt to pretend it ksnt.

If the rights/desires of different groups are in conflict, why shouldn't that be discussed?

@findmybalance It is an anti-MEN in womens spaces campaign. Not an 'anti-trans' campaign. Get your facts right. If womens rights = anti-trans, I think you've just admitted something out loud.

Lincolnremain · Today 17:59
If you can't understand how men are different from women even on a fundamental basic level and how women are vulnerable and also deserve privacy and dignity, then I don't know what else to say to you. Your posts demonstrate an incredible lack of critical thinking and basic common sense.

I just don't think the same way that you do about this.

I am a woman with daughters, I just don't think this is our biggest threat.

Pornography is a much much bigger issue and tainting young people's views on sex and relationships

All these arguments went on about gay people

Re your last point, no there were no arguments about gay people in women’s changing rooms, women’s prisons, women’s rape crisis centres, women’s refuges, women’s sports, women’s sex based spaces.

I don't use changing rooms any more. I will shop online or buy in store and try on at home.

All my nieces and nephews are accompanied when using public toilets.