To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

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nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

Take every sentence you typed that said because you feel otherwise, male people think otherwise, women need to shut up and allow men into female spaces and read my "No!" as a response.

You aren't debating. You are trying to impose male wants over female needs.

No!

Men will do it anyway argument does not = disregard womens and girls feelings of safety.

May I ask all those posters saying that we should agree to mixed changing rooms why are we not allowed to ask for single sex changing rooms? Why is our wishes not taken seriously?

The whole 'if men want to attack they'll attack you anyway' shite. It's called safeguarding. If I see a male, wether he's wearing a dress or not, in a space not designated for him, I'm on my guard. My senses are alert. Something is off here. Spaces are degraded by sex FOR A REASON.

I take it those who spout this don't bother locking their doors, as burglars are just going to burgle your house anyway.

I have processed more police reports than I can count. I've yet to process one regarding a transwoman being attacked on the basis of being trans, by a male.

The amount I've processed by male attackers towards females (and other males) is off the scale however.

It's not just about safety, either. It's about basic privacy and dignity, and respect for women's and girls' boundaries. Any male who doesn't respect them is automatically a red flag.

Where’s your source for this claim?

I'm sick of this. The genie is out the bottle. Most men don't give a fuck. I don't use changing rooms anymore and neither does my teenage daughter. Her and her pals were in a well known shop a year or so ago and some middle aged creep opened her changing room curtain. All dreadfully sorry and a terrible mistake. Aye sure pal. Men have been prioritised over women's safety. I won't buy out these shops anymore . Second hand and make clothes now.

How can we tell the 'genuine' trans from a disingenuous trans?

@Limesodas real life isn't Twitter/Tumblr. All the women I know recognise the difference between biological sex and gender identity - and know that single sex spaces should be protected for women's safety and dignity.

OK. Thanks for coming back to me.

But I would ask if you have seen the very recent cases of mobile phones under/ over incomplete cubicles? Because the only research we have into mixed sex spaces and sexual assaults shows that women are at significantly higher risk of assault in such spaces, when compared to single sex facilities.

Safeguarding exists for a reason. Such studies illustrate why single sex spaces are required.

I'd post it but I'm on my phone. It's a regular set of stats posted on many threads here.

Reality disagrees with you.

@Limesodas

I like most of the population couldn’t give a flying fuck who is using a changing room.

There lies the problem.

Most of us DO care when we go to bathrooms or changing rooms. Many women want feel safe in these spaces.

I think it disgusting that you don't allow or advocate for that. Horrible of you.

My view is that any decent male who identifies as trans would respect the fact that women need single sex spaces for their safety and dignity and would not impose themselves on women.

...to stir up more hate against a vulnerable group of people under far more threat than a woman will ever be, just for being who they are.

That is nothing but a bare faced lie. Trans w are by several hundred country miles the safest demographic in the UK, regarding assault and murder. Someone doing a double take as they get on the bus doesn't constitute abuse, violent or otherwise.

the experience of the vast majority of the trans community - who are also a target for abuse from males

Firstly, no such evidence exists of any trans people experiencing abuse from males. Indeed and in fact, many gay men and also trans women have said they don't get any abuse from men in male change rooms, the worst they might get is a smirk. Trans women are safe in male spaces, so stop propagating the lie they aren't. And even if, as unlikely it is that a trans women experiences abuse, that is THE MALE PROBLEM TO SOLVE. Women, are NOT HUMAN SHIELDS FOR MEN.

YOU might feel safer with men with penises in your spaces, than women, an illogical statement, but as a rape victim, I, do NOT.

I understand from some of the articles linked here that there are exceptions

Womens spaces were CREATED based on worst case scenario. Safeguarding is based on that one exception. Which is why 'male' and 'female' spaces are segregated. Even an 'exception', even one, just even one, is justifications. Even one (1) attack is one too many.

we have very little hard data about how common this actually is

There is more than enough data that trans women commit offences at a HIGH RATE than male identifying men. fairplayforwomen.com/criminality/
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

There have been in excess of 20 sex assaults on women by male bodies in womens spaces - HOW MANY MORE DO YOU NEED? Give us a number.

Yes, why? Or do object to the use of the word “woman”. It’s still used pretty generally to refer to someone assigned female at birth, but I can change it, if it makes you feel better,

I had a man standing naked in a changing village by the lockers. He shouldn’t have been naked there The police investigated, couldn’t identify the chap. It stopped me swimming for 6 months, it really upset me and I really was surprised.

Penis owners, whatever they want to call themselves have no place in women’s spaces. If all it takes for a sexual predator to get access to naked women is to say, I spiritually feel like a woman, then we are saying women are secondary to a man’s feelings and wants. Women’s safety is not important. Certain men want to make women feel powerless and voiceless. This is my chosen hill, one I’m prepared to die on.

The threat to women’s equality cannot be overstated here. And we need an uprising like that of the suffragettes to protect women. Women as in adult female human.

Feelings of men outweigh the feelings of women. This is just another example.

But if women don't like this then you need to write to the MD's of retail outlets, join Sex Matters, or Fair Play to Women and take action.

The only reason anyone is "assigned" female at birth is if they have rare disorders of sex development 🙄 baby girls are observed as such.

No one is assigned a sex at birth. Women are adult female humans end of. Tough if you don’t agree in la la land. But well done for enabling men to damage women.

But they wouldn’t BE in “women’s spaces” would they? They’d be in “spaces” designed for people to get changed and to have a shit in, behind closed doors. As many school, new buildings, pubs, clothing shops, spas already do, with no additional problems. As I said, disabled people have always done this, and it seems to work just fine.

Actually, they quite like their “female cocks” and will vilify lesbians for not having sex with them due to said cock. Cos it’s a female one..

Wow! The transphobic dinosaurs are out in force on this one 😂

YADNBU!!!! I'm done with this. Men can stay out of women's spaces. I don't care how they identify.

Along with a few biology denying, lack of critical thinking handmaidens. Hey ho.