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AIBU to not give DH a medal for this shop?

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DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 09:55

I love DH more than anyone else on this planet and he's my absolute best friend. He's kind, he's smart, he's interesting, he's handsome, he's witty, he's fun. But, he is completely fucking incompetent and it drives me insane. I have to do everything. Granted, he works very hard, when being micromanaged to the nth degree and would work 24/7 if asked - but, unless given explicitly clear instructions, everything he does just falls apart. It's 10x more work for both us so I don't think it's even "strategic incompetence".

A few months ago, it all came to a head. I expressed how unbelievably miserable it was making me to always have to be the only real adult in the relationship, that his incompetence is hurting me and that he's a grown adult who should be able to cope with all of these things. He fully accepted the problem and the responsibility to fix it. Since then, to my mind, things have not improved enough. To his mind, he has improved and is trying.

He outlined his examples:

  • "Offering to help with [an aspect of my job]" - (Essentially, I give a lot of presentations and it's useful to run through those with someone before I give them. For years, when I ask DH, he'll say yes and then try to avoid it meaning that I waste huge amounts of time waiting for him (like "oh, sure, I'll just go to the bathroom and then we'll run through it" - but then he goes off and does something else and doesn't come back so I spent ages waiting for him for no reason). He says that he's massively improved on that - but, to my memory, he's not helped me one single time since the big argument - he's just promised to, which is no change from before. I've said it's fine to say no but he won't, he'll just lead me on. It's worth noting that he has expertise in an area which is why it's useful to have his input and I have expertise in an area of his work and frequently help him out with his.
  • "Keeping the house tidy" - We've had to cancel his family coming over twice since the big argument because the house was too messy and I refused to tidy the whole house by myself for his guests. Any tidying he's done has been under explicit instructions from me (literally to the point of "there's some rubbish, put that in the bin", "that's DS's shoe, put that in the cupboard"). When left to tidy by himself, I'll return an hour later and it's literally not tidier - he'll have moved one pile of crap to one place and put another pile of crap where it was. The only exception to this is the dishwasher, which DH insists on doing every single night before bed, regardless of how much actually needs to go into it. To my memory, he's not done any tidying at all without being explicitly asked other than the dishwasher. In fairness to him, he does also do laundry and has some kind of "system" that I can't fathom for where he puts different baskets depending on whether they're clean/dirty/wet/dry and then split by person...I don't understand his system so I don't touch it and leave him to it. It apparently works for him (except on the frequent occasions that he can't find anything, when he's not sure if a basket is clean or dirty and when wet baskets get forgotten about and need rewashing) so I don't micromanage that and just leave him to his chaos "system". He has not swept, hoovered, wiped, mopped, dusted...
  • "Taken charge of food deliveries...I did the last one without any support" - He's done two. The first one I sat with him, with a list and told him exactly what to put in the basket, in exact quantities. The second one, I told him some things that were needed (shampoo, conditioner, nappies etc) but left him to it. He bought the non-food items I asked for but, in terms of just food, he bought: sausage rolls, juice, pasta frozen ready meal, smoked salmon, cream cheese, cheddar, apples, crisps, squeezy fruit pouches, bear strawberry yoyos, frozen pizza, curly fries, avocados, milk, bread, bananas. This is to sustain a family of four, for a week. Keep in mind, I can't have dairy so I'm not able to eat the sausage rolls, the pasta ready meal, the cream cheese, the cheddar, the frozen pizzas or the milk. I'm baffled as to how he believes that this is a sign he's done something good. I feel like it's what a 10yo would buy.
  • "Dealing with DS and DD issues in the morning (like nappies and feeding) and not just fucking off" - ok, yeah, if one of the DCs need a nappy change or DD is crying for milk and I'm not there then he will now change/feed them instead of waiting for me to come back and sort it out. I'm not sure why that's such a huge win though.

AIBU to expect more "progress" than this in three months? Granted, he has made progress, he did do a Tesco delivery by himself and he does change nappies/feed the baby if it happens right in front of him and he does load and put on the dishwasher. Am I being too harsh?

YABU - He's made some progress so that shows he is putting in effort, stick at it and he'll get there.
YANBU - He's made such slow progress that he's clearly not putting in any effort, cut your losses, he won't get there.

OP posts:
BirdyWoof · 12/01/2023 12:27

Goinglocodowninsainsburyslocal · 12/01/2023 12:13

Executive function with adhd isn't limitless though, it someone focuses on their job to pay for life then often other things fall by the wayside.

This.

I function well in work (due to endless lists) but I struggle with more “simple” tasks at home which you shouldn’t need a list for, like taking washing out of the washing machine.

BungleandGeorge · 12/01/2023 12:27

It does sound like he might have executive functioning issues but the answer is for him to find strategies to help. Yes you may need to do a list and prompts. The shopping I can relate to because I find it much more difficult to do an online shop. Maybe he would be better going to the supermarket if he’s a visual person, it’s easier to plan when the food is physically in the trolley. Or use the predicted shopping and favourites etc if you really need to do online?

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:28

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:25

Ahahaha you want her to write a shopping list?!

for a grown up??

she may as well do the shop herself

and he knows it!!!!

Well, yes because she’s the one doing the meal planning, is he supposed to read her mind then?

2023a · 12/01/2023 12:28

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:28

Well, yes because she’s the one doing the meal planning, is he supposed to read her mind then?

Or he could do the meal planning.

Fenella123 · 12/01/2023 12:29

TBH OP, my first reaction was, "Put him on Ritalin".
OBVIOUSLY DON'T GO GIVING YOUR DH NON OTC DRUGS BECAUSE A RANDO ON THE INTERNET SAID SO
But...
Providing you don't think he's a dick, there's something going very wrong and maybe it's something that meds can help easily with. Bet someone else has said, "ADHD?".

billy1966 · 12/01/2023 12:30

He sounds like he has you exactly where he wants you, half mad with frustration.

That you can love him so deeply and find him attractive through such selfishness is very sad.

He has a fool made of you and I would speculate that such stress will have a huge negative affect on your health long term.

IMO there is NO fixing men like him.
He has you exactly where he wants you.

I doubt you are prepared to leave him, but I would much prefer to be a single parent than to share my life with such a moron.

Life is too short to share with someone so utterly content with doing nothing of benefit for those he lives with.

I think you should look at why you love and like someone like him?

I genuinely don't get the appeal.

Some therapy would be good for you, but you hardly have the time.

Keep an eye on your health.
Your late 40's/50's are sniper alley for cancer, and stress like you are juggling is so bad for your general well-being.

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:32

MsMarch · 12/01/2023 12:27

Honestly, that surprises me that your Dh or others were totally oblivious. And from later posts it sounds like your ADHD is quite severe.

I'm afraid that I'm still not convinced about OP's DH. I also continue to be frustrated when incompetence at home appears to be the only symptom of ADHD. It's a bit like when you see posts on here about men who can't even organise to pick up their children from school or to book movie tickets but miraculously, they can plan a 3 day stag event.

It’s not the only symptom of ADHD, it’s the only environment we have been told about showing multiple symptoms of ADHD. If his boss/coworkers were to have input, there may be other symptoms.

My DH was oblivious to how it affected me at work. My colleagues knew I was a bit of a head in clouds eccentric, but that’s not unusual in my career field.

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 12:32

BungleandGeorge · 12/01/2023 12:27

It does sound like he might have executive functioning issues but the answer is for him to find strategies to help. Yes you may need to do a list and prompts. The shopping I can relate to because I find it much more difficult to do an online shop. Maybe he would be better going to the supermarket if he’s a visual person, it’s easier to plan when the food is physically in the trolley. Or use the predicted shopping and favourites etc if you really need to do online?

We previously tried him shopping in an actual shop. He forgot about the list entirely and just bought random stuff - even with a list literally on his person. It’s becoming a running (not funny) joke that he’ll always forget something if he goes to a shop even with a list. He’ll even swear blind he’s got everything on the list and checked and he’ll miss things.

Back during covid when only one person was allowed in, he went with a list and came out certain he had everything on it. We went through the list in the car and he’d missed multiple things.

The online shop allows him to add things so if he’s forgotten something, he can add it in later.

OP posts:
Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:32

2023a · 12/01/2023 12:28

Or he could do the meal planning.

He could, but OP said she wants the meals done her way…her exact words btw.

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 12:33

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:32

He could, but OP said she wants the meals done her way…her exact words btw.

That’s not what I said at all.

OP posts:
Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:34

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:28

Well, yes because she’s the one doing the meal planning, is he supposed to read her mind then?

So you want her to plan the meals, work out the weekly schedule and write out a list for this adult?

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 12/01/2023 12:35

Lentilweaver · 12/01/2023 10:46

Am really tired of ADHD constantly being trotted out to excuse incompetent men. Women would never get away with this.

Exactly, because women with ADHD still have to carry the load!

Greatly · 12/01/2023 12:35

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:34

So you want her to plan the meals, work out the weekly schedule and write out a list for this adult?

Well only because otherwise you'll have two people buying food at cross purposes!

Sit down together in the evening and meal plan together?

Greatly · 12/01/2023 12:36

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 12:32

We previously tried him shopping in an actual shop. He forgot about the list entirely and just bought random stuff - even with a list literally on his person. It’s becoming a running (not funny) joke that he’ll always forget something if he goes to a shop even with a list. He’ll even swear blind he’s got everything on the list and checked and he’ll miss things.

Back during covid when only one person was allowed in, he went with a list and came out certain he had everything on it. We went through the list in the car and he’d missed multiple things.

The online shop allows him to add things so if he’s forgotten something, he can add it in later.

Ok that does not sound normal (having a list and saying you've got everything on it but actually buying random stuff)

billy1966 · 12/01/2023 12:36

@Suprima, completely agree.

ADHD, every bloody day on MN for men who manage just fine in their careers but are lazy, selfish, housework shy, avoidant parents, at home🙄.

So convenient.🙄

LolaSmiles · 12/01/2023 12:37

For everyone arguing that he must have ADHD and need his hand holding and showing how to adult to a fairly low bar standard:
What do you think he will have done before the OP was doing it all? Probably doing it himself.
What do you think he does at work? Probably does his job.
What would he do if the OP died tomorrow or walked out? Sort it out himself.
What do you think all the women out there who are neurodiverse (diagnosed and undiagnosed) do? They know shit needs doing so they make it happen and find their own systems that work for them.

The bar for men on here is so bloody low on here at times.
It's not women's job to parent their partners as well as their children.

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:37

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:32

He could, but OP said she wants the meals done her way…her exact words btw.

Because he doesn’t give a shit about her food allergies and has never needed to pull his weight so doesn’t know what a family of four need for the week. Nor will he educate himself.

so she has to be mummy.

your projection about your own neurodiversity is clouding your judgement on this issue.

you don’t know if this man has adhd.

how he is acting is nothing special nor ‘diverse’ when you consider the the vast majority of men as a sex class.

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:38

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 12:32

We previously tried him shopping in an actual shop. He forgot about the list entirely and just bought random stuff - even with a list literally on his person. It’s becoming a running (not funny) joke that he’ll always forget something if he goes to a shop even with a list. He’ll even swear blind he’s got everything on the list and checked and he’ll miss things.

Back during covid when only one person was allowed in, he went with a list and came out certain he had everything on it. We went through the list in the car and he’d missed multiple things.

The online shop allows him to add things so if he’s forgotten something, he can add it in later.

Yep, that’s why I do online shop now. Forget fewer things. Though still chafing at fact i forgot the bread and milk this time so have to walk to Co op later.

Last week, …oh this is silly….we had a meal planned with veggie sticks and hummous for Friday. Guess when I scheduled the delivery of the fresh veg? Saturday. So I swapped Sundays dinner with Fridays dinner.

The Saturday before, I woke up realising I’d forgotten the chocolate frosting for the birthday cake I was supposed to bake between 8-10am (yes I schedule these things), so at 7:30am, I was in the Co op getting chocolate frosting. Frosting that I forgot to order on tge Thursday grocery delivery….

so…yeah…flexibility and me fixing my mistakes is key.

Ilkleymoor · 12/01/2023 12:40

Even if he does have ADHD, doesn't mean you have to stay with him. You might be lovely people who are not living together compatible.

sunshineandsuddenshowers · 12/01/2023 12:42

We are working through similar stuff (DH does have diagnosed ADHD and now takes meds which do make a difference but don't 'solve' things). DS also has newly diagnosed ADHD.

I'm wondering about a Now, Next, Later board for DH (not DS!), hoping that he might be able to shuffle things up the order as a day goes along (maybe there could be a little list of 'laters').

I am also coming to the (bitter) realisation that there are some things that he just can't/won't do. I'm not happy about this, but if I don't accept this, then we can't co-exist. So we are in the process of trying to enlarge the scope of what he CAN do, so that I don't a) do everything and/or b) go mad.

I've realised that he has never learned (domestically) to work to an outcome ('a tidy kitchen'), and that I'm better off using my energy to teach the kids how to do that, while DH does a specific set of defined tasks (sweep floor every day; washing up; kids' dinner; laundry). He works well to tasks, poorly to outcomes. If he does most of a task, then I can w less rage and less time, turn it into an outcome.

KnottyKnitting · 12/01/2023 12:43

Sorry but if he is capable of holding down a demanding job like teaching which you need to be incredibly organised to do well, then how on earth is he not able to do simple things like housework?

Stop saying he " helps" with the house work. He isn't " helping" he is "doing" ( or not in his case.) Sounds like it is easier for him to be comically incompetent and someone else picks up the slack. Bet his mother waited on him hand and foot...

NoNewsIsGoodNews · 12/01/2023 12:43

My main issue would be, does he see the strain it puts on you, acknowledge it and want to change? Does he have ideas as to how to effect a solution? Does he care?

Because if he isn’t doing a good enough job at home and cannot see it and does not want to think of solutions himself, that’s what would be my dealbreaker.

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:43

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:37

Because he doesn’t give a shit about her food allergies and has never needed to pull his weight so doesn’t know what a family of four need for the week. Nor will he educate himself.

so she has to be mummy.

your projection about your own neurodiversity is clouding your judgement on this issue.

you don’t know if this man has adhd.

how he is acting is nothing special nor ‘diverse’ when you consider the the vast majority of men as a sex class.

Well, we don’t know if he has ADHD, but there are enough symptoms that I would get assessed and start looking at ADHD tools and coping mechanisms that could help OPs DH to contribute more.

I don’t think it is projection to suggest this as a possibility.

I think definitive statements like “he doesn’t give a shit” and “never needed to pull his weight” along with sweeping generalisation of “he is acting is nothing special nor ‘diverse’ when you consider the the vast majority of men as a sex class” is really you projecting your own sexism against men.

Because you’re not open to any possibility other than one which denigrates men.

sunshineandsuddenshowers · 12/01/2023 12:46

NB, thinking about it now, DH also struggles to work to outcomes at work as well. He works super-hard, and is outstandingly good at some elements of what he does. This seems largely to compensate for the stuff he can't do - like finishing things off...

I'm wondering if my household needs one of those books about neurodiverse teams at work... DH gets as despairing trying to work with/manage me, as I do with him!

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 12:47

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:34

So you want her to plan the meals, work out the weekly schedule and write out a list for this adult?

No, she wants to do the meal planning, she said she wants the meals her way.
If she’s going to insist on that, she should at least write a list of what she wants him to buy.

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