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AIBU to not give DH a medal for this shop?

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DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 09:55

I love DH more than anyone else on this planet and he's my absolute best friend. He's kind, he's smart, he's interesting, he's handsome, he's witty, he's fun. But, he is completely fucking incompetent and it drives me insane. I have to do everything. Granted, he works very hard, when being micromanaged to the nth degree and would work 24/7 if asked - but, unless given explicitly clear instructions, everything he does just falls apart. It's 10x more work for both us so I don't think it's even "strategic incompetence".

A few months ago, it all came to a head. I expressed how unbelievably miserable it was making me to always have to be the only real adult in the relationship, that his incompetence is hurting me and that he's a grown adult who should be able to cope with all of these things. He fully accepted the problem and the responsibility to fix it. Since then, to my mind, things have not improved enough. To his mind, he has improved and is trying.

He outlined his examples:

  • "Offering to help with [an aspect of my job]" - (Essentially, I give a lot of presentations and it's useful to run through those with someone before I give them. For years, when I ask DH, he'll say yes and then try to avoid it meaning that I waste huge amounts of time waiting for him (like "oh, sure, I'll just go to the bathroom and then we'll run through it" - but then he goes off and does something else and doesn't come back so I spent ages waiting for him for no reason). He says that he's massively improved on that - but, to my memory, he's not helped me one single time since the big argument - he's just promised to, which is no change from before. I've said it's fine to say no but he won't, he'll just lead me on. It's worth noting that he has expertise in an area which is why it's useful to have his input and I have expertise in an area of his work and frequently help him out with his.
  • "Keeping the house tidy" - We've had to cancel his family coming over twice since the big argument because the house was too messy and I refused to tidy the whole house by myself for his guests. Any tidying he's done has been under explicit instructions from me (literally to the point of "there's some rubbish, put that in the bin", "that's DS's shoe, put that in the cupboard"). When left to tidy by himself, I'll return an hour later and it's literally not tidier - he'll have moved one pile of crap to one place and put another pile of crap where it was. The only exception to this is the dishwasher, which DH insists on doing every single night before bed, regardless of how much actually needs to go into it. To my memory, he's not done any tidying at all without being explicitly asked other than the dishwasher. In fairness to him, he does also do laundry and has some kind of "system" that I can't fathom for where he puts different baskets depending on whether they're clean/dirty/wet/dry and then split by person...I don't understand his system so I don't touch it and leave him to it. It apparently works for him (except on the frequent occasions that he can't find anything, when he's not sure if a basket is clean or dirty and when wet baskets get forgotten about and need rewashing) so I don't micromanage that and just leave him to his chaos "system". He has not swept, hoovered, wiped, mopped, dusted...
  • "Taken charge of food deliveries...I did the last one without any support" - He's done two. The first one I sat with him, with a list and told him exactly what to put in the basket, in exact quantities. The second one, I told him some things that were needed (shampoo, conditioner, nappies etc) but left him to it. He bought the non-food items I asked for but, in terms of just food, he bought: sausage rolls, juice, pasta frozen ready meal, smoked salmon, cream cheese, cheddar, apples, crisps, squeezy fruit pouches, bear strawberry yoyos, frozen pizza, curly fries, avocados, milk, bread, bananas. This is to sustain a family of four, for a week. Keep in mind, I can't have dairy so I'm not able to eat the sausage rolls, the pasta ready meal, the cream cheese, the cheddar, the frozen pizzas or the milk. I'm baffled as to how he believes that this is a sign he's done something good. I feel like it's what a 10yo would buy.
  • "Dealing with DS and DD issues in the morning (like nappies and feeding) and not just fucking off" - ok, yeah, if one of the DCs need a nappy change or DD is crying for milk and I'm not there then he will now change/feed them instead of waiting for me to come back and sort it out. I'm not sure why that's such a huge win though.

AIBU to expect more "progress" than this in three months? Granted, he has made progress, he did do a Tesco delivery by himself and he does change nappies/feed the baby if it happens right in front of him and he does load and put on the dishwasher. Am I being too harsh?

YABU - He's made some progress so that shows he is putting in effort, stick at it and he'll get there.
YANBU - He's made such slow progress that he's clearly not putting in any effort, cut your losses, he won't get there.

OP posts:
Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 13:26

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 12:55

"A few months ago, it all came to a head. I expressed how unbelievably miserable it was making me to always have to be the only real adult in the relationship, that his incompetence is hurting me and that he's a grown adult who should be able to cope with all of these things. He fully accepted the problem and the responsibility to fix it. Since then, to my mind, things have not improved enough. To his mind, he has improved and is trying."

This is the key paragraph. He sat through the argument listening to how hurt his wife is by his lack of effort. Then he got bored and said yeah, sorry, won't do it again. Then he gaslights the OP by saying "but I've chaaaaanged" when he clearly fucking hasn't. ADHD wouldn't stop him from putting systems in place to be more competent at home and to suggest that is a fucking insult frankly.

In turn the OP is so blinded by love for this wonderful kind funny competent at work man that she loves him even more than her kids! He's having her for a mug.

What you are failing to understand is that no amount of effort makes a difference with ADHD. So OP is upset by “lack of effort”. The DH is to his mind “trying” as in putting forth effort. The result = no change.

This is textbook for ADHD. It’s why people called us “lazy” because of the myth that more effort/more work is the problem and will make a difference.

It doesn’t.

ADHD wouldn't stop him from putting systems in place to be more competent. If you dont know you have it, and are being repeatedly told that all you need to do is put in “more effort”, then that would stop you from putting systems into place. Especially when you realise not all ADHD is the same, there is no one size fits all, works for everyone system.

ArtixLynx · 12/01/2023 13:28

Thedaysthatremain · 12/01/2023 11:02

It's interesting to me how many women who legitimately have neurodiverse conditions and executive functioning issues still manage to parent. And yet thats the first thing people jump on when men suck.

because we take the time to try and come up with strategies that work for us and implement them... or try to.

The issue i had, was my ExH didn't like my ND parenting strategies and constantly messed them up, changed things, moved things, and got in my way and tried to stop me using the methods that worked for me to make my parenting and the household functional.

The housework was a constant source of strife because i was trying to work with my Executive Dysfunction to adequately parent 2 ND kids and keep house, and he just yelled at me for being incompetent for not doing it HIS way.

Now we're no longer together, me and the kids have a lovely, if slightly chaotic existence that works for us, and he is a lonely, grumpy bastard who can run his single adult male house how the fuck he likes.

Onnabugeisha · 12/01/2023 13:28

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 13:21

@Onnabugeisha you'll excuse this man no matter what anyone says. Because you're projecting.

What he is doing to the OP is nothing new, in fact it's textbook. Wifework 101 for Cavemen.

You’re projecting. Not me.
Im describing how the symptoms could indicate ADHD and challenging several ableist myths about ADHD being peddled to support sexist narratives.

BunchHarman · 12/01/2023 13:29

What does he do on his long holidays if you’re doing 100% of the domestic drudgery @DinnerThyme ?

SleepingStandingUp · 12/01/2023 13:33

@DinnerThyme what is the conversation when something goes wrong?

Where are the bananas?
Where's the kids uniform?
Why is my dress mouldy in a pile of damp washing?
I thought you were listening to my presentation?

Because there's a difference between
Shit, I'll pop to the shops AND uh, I dunno
Oh God, I'll get a load on AND uh, what?
I'm so sorry, I'll replace it AND uh, I dunno
Oh sorry yes, I'm free now AND uh, what?

Nanny0gg · 12/01/2023 13:35

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 12:21

Great - thank you. So that’s a good sign? I don’t want to be too controlling because he’s not a child. So I haven’t told him exactly what to buy, just the way I do it and why I do it that way. Would it be better if I set the expectation that he has to do it my way and give him a list of exactly what I would buy?

A straightforward list of what's needed would be easier for everyone!

I don't think - 'Oh, I'm doing three meals that need carrots so I need Xgms' I think -'Oh, Order carrots' I think you need to KISS for him

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 13:36

"You’re projecting. Not me.
Im describing how the symptoms could indicate ADHD and challenging several ableist myths about ADHD being peddled to support sexist narratives."

Oh have a day off 🤣 sexist 🙈🤣

Chubbyspud · 12/01/2023 13:39

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 13:21

@Onnabugeisha you'll excuse this man no matter what anyone says. Because you're projecting.

What he is doing to the OP is nothing new, in fact it's textbook. Wifework 101 for Cavemen.

No one is saying he has ADHD.

The OP has described a problem she is experiencing and a set of symptoms which would support an assessment for ADHD.

Other posters have pointed this out and suggested that this is a possibility along with some examples of how ADHD also affects them to demonstrate the similarities.

Saying he does not have ADHD is projecting. You don’t know that any more than you know he does. Its not helpful.

Its a possibility that he does and this might be something the OP and her DH would like to explore in the pursuit of finding a solution to this problem. There are lots of other possibilities too that others have also discussed.

TheCatterall · 12/01/2023 13:40

If a friend or family member rang him needing a hand with a similar presentation - would he be straight on it - or would they get the same wishy washy excuses you get @DinnerThyme

it all sounds like it would drive me mad. the washing especially.

I just made a list for my teenage boys. It was how we process the laundry. Who does what when and we’re it goes and how etc. we do not deviate from the list…

it’s exhausting having to be the adult all
the time though. I have ADHD so need rules to keep my life and home running or it all falls to shit fast! I work better when I have a few processes - I literally tape them inside cupboard doors and have them on my google calendar. But then in my work I deal in strategy and operational planning so that’s just how I work best!

all said - do you love this man still. Never mind ‘he’s a good dad’ bollocks people use - do you still love him. Or is he like a messy companion sharing your home but you couldn’t imagine a torrid affair or weekend away with him?

good luck.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 12/01/2023 13:42

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 12/01/2023 10:25

@Keyansier the saying is "to put your head above the parapet" not carpet.

But 'I'm going to put my head above the carpet' is such a beautiful typo/malapropism. MN does produce some great ones from time to time.

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 13:45

"Saying he does not have ADHD is projecting. You don’t know that any more than you know he does. Its not helpful."

No, that's not what "projecting" is. And the other poster who is projecting has given good reason for why she might be prone do that. Her personal circumstances do explain that.

I said he might have ADHD but from the OPs posts it is much more likely that he simply can't be arsed. I like to work on probabilities not projection.

LuckeyBuoy · 12/01/2023 13:45

Sparklfairy · 12/01/2023 10:22

It's parapet love.

🤣🤣

BitOutOfPractice · 12/01/2023 13:49

He does sound frustrating but jeez don't make him listen to endless work presentations. I cannot tell you the lengths I would go to avoid that as well.

Chubbyspud · 12/01/2023 13:49

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 13:36

"You’re projecting. Not me.
Im describing how the symptoms could indicate ADHD and challenging several ableist myths about ADHD being peddled to support sexist narratives."

Oh have a day off 🤣 sexist 🙈🤣

Yeah @Onnabugeisha is right. You are projecting. Posters are suggesting he might have ADHD whilst you’re peddling a theory that he doesn’t as a fact. Why are you so adamant that this person can’t have ADHD or that this shouldn’t be explored? Ask yourself that.

Chubbyspud · 12/01/2023 13:56

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 11:48

He's taking you for a fucking mug 🤣. Of course he can do those things, he just can't be arsed. If he's a teacher in a secondary school that performs well then he has a relatively good level of focus and organisation.

He's not interested in your work because it's boring and every minute he has to listen to you practicing your speeches is another minute he has to engage his brain with something he's not interested in. (I feel the same when people talk about the more boring aspects of their work, I'm not Alan fucking Sugar, stop giving me your pitch).

The kid and baby stuff - again, he loves them but it's so dull. Nappies, choosing outfits (yawn, he can't be arsed).

Tidying up - boring, he can't be arsed. If he does a shit job eventually you'll stop asking for "help" and he can shirk another responsibility. He doesn't even care enough to pull his finger out of his lazy arse when family are visiting. Instead he'd rather be rude and cancel.

Laundry - that's an easy one cause you get to load the washer and then chill out on your phone for an hour or two while it does its thing. 30 second job. If you forget to dry it then pretend it's part of your "system". Top shirkers trick that one 😉. Same with the dishwasher. It's literally putting things into a box - no thought needed, no equipment needed. Easy peasy.

Food shopping - he bought food that is easy to cook in case you tell him to put the kids tea on and fruit, because then you won't moan that the pizza is unhealthy. The fact he did no shopping whatsoever for you doesn't matter, he doesn't give a shit what you eat. As long as he's got something and he's covered the bases of the things he hears you wittering on about (kids, healthy food, nappies, blah blah) then he thinks he's smashed it.

This man is a lazy fucker. His top priority is his own comfort and wants. Your needs come somewhere way down the line but he'll never admit that to you. ADHD my arse 🤣🤣

@LordSugarTits

You denied ADHD from the start.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 12/01/2023 14:02

OP, I have a similar DH. I go from being deliriously happy that he has done something without me explicitly asking, to disappointment the next day when he doesn't do it. E.g. coming out of the shower and leaving his wet towel on the bed. Nine times out of ten he forgets to hang it up. He is thinking about other stuff. I can remind him, and he is sorry and hangs it up. Or, I can hang it up and forget about it I've had this for 30 years and it's still going on. My advice is to appreciate all his good qualities and ignore the bad ones. If you have to micro- manage some things, so be it. But learn not to sweat the small stuff - what visitors care if the house is untidy? Things will get easier once your dch get older and more able to put their shoes away, etc.

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 14:03

@Chubbyspud "ask myself that" no thanks, I don't need to. You can keep posting over and over the same thing but you've misunderstood what projecting means.

You've also missed the bit where I said he might but it's much less likely than he just doesn't want to.

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 14:05

"My advice is to appreciate all his good qualities and ignore the bad ones."

Really? Confused

Howyiz · 12/01/2023 14:11

Again, when he did the shopping, he didn't forget his son's snacks. Didn't forget to get food for dinners, he just bought stuff that he could eat but she couldn't.
Are you honestly saying that he 'forgot' you were lacktose intolerant? Really? He managed to not impact himself or his son, just you OP.
You need to open your eyes!

ArtixLynx · 12/01/2023 14:11

its quite possible he has adhd and is also a lazy c*nt.

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 14:13

"Are you honestly saying that he 'forgot' you were lacktose intolerant? Really? He managed to not impact himself or his son, just you OP.
You need to open your eyes!"

Indeed. Careful though, stating the obvious here makes you a "man-hater" apparently

AlwaysTheGoodGirl · 12/01/2023 14:17

Suprima · 12/01/2023 12:25

Ahahaha you want her to write a shopping list?!

for a grown up??

she may as well do the shop herself

and he knows it!!!!

Absolutely this @Suprima It's all very well writing out instructions for every single effing job, but who wants to do that??? It drains your soul! Is it too much to expect from a grown man to show a bit of initiative? A few months ago I had to drive home 300 miles with a raging toothache desperate to get to my dentist, finally got home with some relief after emergency root canal treatment, and we needed shopping which I'd normally go and get, but was too knackered to go back out again so I wrote out a list for dh so he could go and get it. I couldn't speak after the dental treatment, so just handed him the list, to which he said, "oh, there's nothing I need, thanks," gave the list back to me and walked away to the living room to sit in front of the telly for the night.....

Howyiz · 12/01/2023 14:17

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 12/01/2023 14:02

OP, I have a similar DH. I go from being deliriously happy that he has done something without me explicitly asking, to disappointment the next day when he doesn't do it. E.g. coming out of the shower and leaving his wet towel on the bed. Nine times out of ten he forgets to hang it up. He is thinking about other stuff. I can remind him, and he is sorry and hangs it up. Or, I can hang it up and forget about it I've had this for 30 years and it's still going on. My advice is to appreciate all his good qualities and ignore the bad ones. If you have to micro- manage some things, so be it. But learn not to sweat the small stuff - what visitors care if the house is untidy? Things will get easier once your dch get older and more able to put their shoes away, etc.

But @Pocketfullofdogtreats he was the one who cancelled the visitors because the house was too messy!
If he could see the mess, it makes no sense that he couldn't actually clean the mess himself.

So the OP should run herself ragged to have things to HIS standard while he does absolutely sweet fuck all! No, I'm sorry that is not a healthy relationship

Howyiz · 12/01/2023 14:20

LordSugarTits · 12/01/2023 14:13

"Are you honestly saying that he 'forgot' you were lacktose intolerant? Really? He managed to not impact himself or his son, just you OP.
You need to open your eyes!"

Indeed. Careful though, stating the obvious here makes you a "man-hater" apparently

Honestly, it's no wonder men literally get away with murder with everyone bending over backwards to excuse their behaviour and then trying to make it a woman's job to 'help him'. 🙄

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 14:24

SleepingStandingUp · 12/01/2023 13:33

@DinnerThyme what is the conversation when something goes wrong?

Where are the bananas?
Where's the kids uniform?
Why is my dress mouldy in a pile of damp washing?
I thought you were listening to my presentation?

Because there's a difference between
Shit, I'll pop to the shops AND uh, I dunno
Oh God, I'll get a load on AND uh, what?
I'm so sorry, I'll replace it AND uh, I dunno
Oh sorry yes, I'm free now AND uh, what?

How the conversation goes varies depending on the situation.

It’s usually an apology, but he doesn’t know why he did it or why he forgot. He tends to do this big shocked response when I do it properly for him and it’s suddenly so much better. For example, a few weeks ago, he was tidying the bedroom (after I asked him explicitly to tidy the bedroom) whilst I was working. After hours, he thinks he’s done. But the room (to me), looks almost identical to before. I spent about five minutes pulling everything that shouldn’t have been where it was into a massive pile in the hallway so he could see what the difference was and what the tidy bedroom looked like. Then he stood there and looked at me like I’d just performed some outrageous magic trick in front of him, followed by comments like “I didn’t know it could look like this” and “I didn’t realise that stuff was supposed to go there”.

In contrast, when it’s about doing things for the DC, if I ask him to do it then he makes out like I’m always expecting him to do it because he doesn’t ever ask me - he fails to recognise that he doesn’t ask me to change a nappy/give a bottle/get a snack/put on shoes etc because I do those things without being asked and I’m asking him to do it now because I’m doing something else.

In general, the response to “why couldn’t you do X without being asked?” tends to be “I don’t know, I forgot, I didn’t realise, I’m sorry”.

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